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from analysis of variance Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 13:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Poetry? In my line of work, we call this a structural equation model. We devise scales to correspond to each construct (level of ignorance might be viewed as the dependent variable and measured by the Irrational Values Scale, a 9-item likert). After careful measurement of independent variables corresponding to other the constructs (absence of doubt might be captured by a proxy like the 7-item Self-Righteousness Scale), we load results into an SEM procedure using software like SPSS and generate co-efficients for the lines. Significant co-efficients between moderating variables illustrate interaction effects, so that we can predict how much ignorance is explained by the interaction between deconstruction, escapism, denial and doubt. (reply to this comment)

From alicespiteandmalice Tuesday, April 26, 2005, 20:39 (Agree/Disagree?) wow, I must admit that before your post I am reminded of my ignorance ( not in the above sense of the word )... I'm afraid I don't quite understand alot of what your saying, but you seem to be alot more knowledgeable than I in this domain. Why poetry? Simply because that is what I had in mind as I was writing it. If you're interested, I scanned the original ( handwritten à main levée on a scrap of Camel paper ), proof that this is far from having come out of a machine. thanks for your post, alice (reply to this comment)

from Christian Monday, April 25, 2005 - 22:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok guys really you already left do you have to muse over these things really get over it. (reply to this comment)

From alicespiteandmalice Tuesday, April 26, 2005, 07:52 (Agree/Disagree?) For someone into poetry, your comment seems somewhat misplaced. That aside, trying to understand/define/portray/schematise the progress from one state to another within a defined system is what alot of psychologists ( not to mention economists, geographists,sociologists, etc and soforth ) do, and I doubt you'd tell them to "move on". (reply to this comment)

from xolox Monday, April 25, 2005 - 21:00 (Agree/Disagree?) I think the arrow from doubt to distress should be a two way. Good job! (reply to this comment)

From alicespiteandmalice Monday, April 25, 2005, 21:42 (Agree/Disagree?) I didn't make it a two way arrow because i think that one one has doubted and has been in distress, going back on his doubt would be denial, whereas doubt would be where one first questions his beliefs, which up till that point where word of truth. Thanks for your comment, alice(reply to this comment)

From xolox Tuesday, April 26, 2005, 08:22 (Agree/Disagree?) I suppose I meant doubt in it's broader sence. Self doubt has little to do with denial, where as to regress to doubting ones belief system after having moved past it, could indeed fall under that category. (reply to this comment)

From alicespiteandmalice Tuesday, April 26, 2005, 12:45 (Agree/Disagree?) "to regress to doubting ones belief system after having moved past it" yeah, this is what I meant. I agree with you that it is important to keep questioning ones self ( "self doubt" ), but the Doubt stage in the diagram understated "doubt of ones beliefs", in this case the Family beliefs. thanks for your posts, alice (reply to this comment)

from Phoenixkidd Monday, April 25, 2005 - 19:24 (Agree/Disagree?) That is so true! Your Diagram almost fits things to a T. I believe a lot of people, myself included, go through Doubt and then complete Denial for a long period following the seperation from the cult. However, especially those of us who spent 20+ years in the cult and especially those of the older SGA's have had so much of our thinking and values molded by the cults way, it turns out to be very difficult for us to discount our entire lives in the cult as though it never happened. I sincerely believe only through recognition we can truly recover from our past. After all there are many cases of neglected and abused children in many sectors of society or throughout turmoil in war. Those children have to face up to the fact that their lives are not normal their resources, are severly lacking in education and background and must just move on. Having Ricky's memorial broadcasted on any kind of media brings to light these issues of ex-cult members that so many people are so unfamiliar with. (reply to this comment)

from alicespiteandmalice Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 12:29 (Agree/Disagree?) oops, somehow the image isn't on... (reply to this comment)

From alicespiteandmalice Sunday, April 24, 2005, 12:35 (Agree/Disagree?) there you go(reply to this comment)