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from Joe H Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 00:09 (Agree/Disagree?) Shakespeare was much more tolerant of homosexuality than you appear to be. Who are you to say joy can't be found in "boy with boy" relationships? Oh and when you respond, please don't stoop to dismissin me as a queer. That's exactly what I'd expect someone like you to do. (reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 02:10 (Agree/Disagree?) I don't mean to be rude Joe, but read it again, its the voice of that which is restricted repeating the 'IFs', or the conditions imposed speaking, quite the opposite. Kind of like when someone says something hurtful and it rings in your head, so I repeat the obvious discriminatory conditions to make rings of reverse tolerance by implying the opposite. True, shakespeare was known to be tolerant of more than heterosexuality, and some say he had a relationship with someone of the same sex at once later in life. But no, we know how much time you spend getting female attention, I'm sure more than getting mine right?(reply to this comment)

From Joe H Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 12:28 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh well, my apologies then. I did like the style of this more than your others, even if the rhythm was a bit off at times.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 14:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks Joe, No worries. Where is it out of rythm? Let me fix that. (reply to this comment)

From Joe H Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 18:53 (Agree/Disagree?) All over, you need to learn to count beats. (reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Thursday, September 04, 2003, 12:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Not all poetry requires beats though... in this case most of it follows a rythm so I see where not keeping one in a few sentences might appear inconsistent. I'll fix it when I get time.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Thursday, September 04, 2003, 12:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Not all poetry requires beats though... in this case most of it follows a rythm so I see where not keeping one in a few sentences might appear inconsistent. I'll fix it when I get time.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 02:17 (Agree/Disagree?) By saying saying only if Christian, only if Jew... I mean those religions believe that only by abiding to their plan will they be considered the chosen or saved. I question that premise by repeating it and what it implies. I just have a very low tolerance for intolerance. But then again I can appreciate religions who practice religion without discrimination.(reply to this comment)

from cyborcosmic Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 06:17 (Agree/Disagree?) Danger means walking outside of our line Thanks for that,and I do like the conditions listed above. Some people are too afraid of overstepping the boundaries and of colouring outside the lines!!!! I may not be completely original in the things that i write either, but I know when to drop the bombs -without fear of the reaction I entice. I couldn't care less! Even if people (close-minded people) put me in a box so that they don't have to question themselves, then thats fine with me, it's their problem. I hate dictorial-like addittudes like ' I think.. therefore..' It's better to write about your (bad) experiences objectively, but also we are human so we are sometimes limited to subjective behaviours, we also limit ourselves and are limited, even our 'Freedom' is limited. Anyway, I myself try not to rationalize (it's too easy) but instead, try to understand and respect the perplexity and leave it as a mystery (I think us humans are too primitive to understand it all anyways, I try, I try ..!) (reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 19:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Yea, like what the poem basically expresses are things I kept hearing... and by repeating them in my way it feels good because I don't have to do a lot of explaining... I enjoyed writting that one. I hate having to explain expression, don't you? It's good to know someone reads dem words, ha!(reply to this comment)

from Alf Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 13:50 (Agree/Disagree?) What will it take to make the poetry stop? (reply to this comment)

From Stop reading then Saturday, July 12, 2003, 17:55 (Agree/Disagree?) All it takes is you not going to the poetry section.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 16:54 (Agree/Disagree?) A unilateral system of intolerance and hate for freespeach. Or a newly bred version of clones with no intelect or creative capacity. Something close to a cult.(reply to this comment)

From skayzayz Friday, July 11, 2003, 11:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Cultinvator, It's kind of weird and i don't really know how to start. I only found out yesterday that this website existed. I thought ex COG kids were condemned to keep the secret and forget about the people they loved in the COG. But anyway this is not my point. I was in the Marbella home, and i knew your parents, i remeber them quite well by the way. I'm 20, at the time i must have been 4 or 5 years old. I'm Leila/Abigail/Galilea/Magdalena's daughter. I was born in the COG and left when i was nine. I was just wondering if you remembered me. To be true i don't remember you. I just remember your parents Luis and Yolanda. Maybe you remember Esther and Ivan and their kids Carolina, Marcos , Erik (who always was having accidents), Christian, Marcos. We had a dog called Terry, and a red car. I know this really sounds pathetic, and please don't feel forced to answer. It's just that i was really moved about finding someone i knew there and i'm still all shaky and stupid. Anyway, it will be really nice hearing from you.(my email is skayzayz@yahoo.com) I really wish you the best in life. Amira(reply to this comment)

From Mir Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 15:34 (Agree/Disagree?) Hola Amirita! Glad to hear things are going well for you. Debby says you're doing really well with your studies. You're such a clever cookie. Must be in the genes ;-) A big hug from big sis xxx(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Friday, July 11, 2003, 19:36 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi Amira, Sure I remember you. Your mom gave me my first swiss army knife. let me write you an e-mail to the address you game me, that way all our memories are not all given away to public cyber property. lol! I rememer the Nyaly home in Marbella like it happened yesterday. I'm so glad you wrote. check your e-mail soon, you should have something from me. Jonathan.(reply to this comment)

From skayzayz Friday, July 11, 2003, 11:47 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Cultinvator, It's kind of weird and i don't really know how to start. I only found out yesterday that this website existed. I thought ex COG kids were condemned to keep the secret and forget about the people they loved in the COG. But anyway this is not my point. I was in the Marbella home, and i knew your parents, i remeber them quite well by the way. I'm 20, at the time i must have been 4 or 5 years old. I'm Leila/Abigail/Galilea/Magdalena's daughter. I was born in the COG and left when i was nine. I was just wondering if you remembered me. To be true i don't remember you. I just remember your parents Luis and Yolanda. Maybe you remember Esther and Ivan and their kids Carolina, Marcos , Erik (who always was having accidents), Christian, Marcos. We had a dog called Terry, and a red car. I know this really sounds pathetic, and please don't feel forced to answer. It's just that i was really moved about finding someone i knew there and i'm still all shaky and stupid. Anyway, it will be really nice hearing from you. I really wish you the best in life. Amira(reply to this comment)

From Josh Friday, July 11, 2003, 19:16 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi Amira I remember u. So whats happend since you where 5 just wondering? (reply to this comment)

From skayzayz Sunday, July 13, 2003, 03:50 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi Josh! I was so surprised to hear from you! Well, it would be a bit long to tell you everything that happened since i'm 5 but i can tell you that i'm a student (on vacation) and that life is really treating me well. I'm so glad to hear from you! I cant' believe you had a baby! I hope things have been nice for you to, don't hesistate to write me on my e-mail! Amira (reply to this comment)

From Josh Sunday, July 13, 2003, 21:25 (Agree/Disagree?) Dont worry, way too much has happend to me since then. Yes-- I have a gorgeous baby girl she's 5 months -- a great joy as well as a great deal of work--ha! Feel free to write me too. (reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 23:52 (Agree/Disagree?) I like a free peach too, ha! Sorry in this case I meant Free Speech. lol! -------------------------------------- Don't need "Uncle Alf" giving me his opinion on how "trees are dangerous" LOL!. Got news for you... Poetry will end a lot later than you will... And "Poet who doesn't like it" Take a hike! I'm open to rational critiques not mindless patronizing! (reply to this comment)

From A poet also opines Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 17:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Critical dislike for a style of poetry, or perhaps just for poetry in general, does not in my mind constitute anything near suppression of free speach. We may even eventualy turn to a god we don't believe in, to beg for freedom from the tyrany of those who demand that we listen to and respect every obnoxious spawn of their misfireing synapses. The ultimate irony seems to be the reactive poet who fires back volleys of charged words such as :intolerance; hate for free speach; clones; cult, this after a reader simply dares to suggest that the stream of poetry has become a flood. And like water, poetry in torrents can become wearysome. To suggest that point, is however, not an attack on free speach, but rather is an opinion; and opinion which this poet for one agrees with. -The world is cursed every minute by the birth of another poet- unknown(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 20:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Crybabies only talk and stalk because of their own insecurities. Dislikes are fine, I dislike you for your intolrance of me, that to me is the only good reason for intolerance, to not tolerate not being tolerated, did you like me using the world tolerance. Oh maybe it's because you feel like you're set of beliefs is based on exclusivity. Just a notch up higher than the rest. That's right The Keys! Maybe you subscribe to locks and keys, walls and doors and all the icons of fear. I love to pick on those who picked on me first. I'm fine with non-exlusive religions that build bridges instead of walls and keys that lock them into a state of superiority and chosen sanctimoniousness. Gosh, listen to yourself! See, the problem is I don't have a problem with your dislikes and likes in fact I find beauty in dissention and I find beauty in unity, what I find very little beauty in is exlusive pricks that like to makethemselves look good by using charged words like "torrents of obnoxious spawn and missfired synapses". Wow, "ultimate Irony" isn't that something, see I find, "I am the way", "he who hath not the son" "We hold the key" "The world hateth you" "We're the shit!" "we're going forth to conquer" "your existance is obnoxious, stop breathing" kind of crap we've been conditioned to swallow with hook, line and sinker" for every waking moment of our lives. I don't claim to own the answer to the truth, in fact I find truth to be very subjective. I find the truth for me everyday. We all see through the dark glass of subjective perception, we have no omnipresence or omnisience like some claim to have" so our limited scope of seing and expressing is all we really have to be liable for. If that is offensive poetry to you. Then you can lick my B#lls, because I'm enjoying this debate. I have no mission to condition the world to get a whole bunch of people to think and act like me, unlike some control frieks I know. Why don't you f@ck yourself, you remind me of the kind of people a lot of us on this site of similar interests like to call "shepherds". I'm not the one claiming to know the way... If you are then why don't you quit pretending like the world belongs to you and start showing some title deeds from an authority I respect. Who the hell are you? My poetry are my thougths, feel free to say what you wish, but you have to live with the fact that this is an open ended debate and no religious leader has the last word here. Feel free to condition yourself, that's your loss. Sorry square people are too fun not to expose for living in a bubble, especially when that bubble has been imposed for thousands of years. Trying to play reverse racism huh! Well, suit yourself. This is the poet's corner, if you don't like poetry what the hell are you doing here? What a friek! Maybe when you're ready to face some real issues we can sit and have a decent discussion... I'm not afraid, in fact there is little I enjoy more than finding new ways of looking at the world. Intolerance is not a myth, I don't know what planet you live in, I'm not going to go around on a mission to hurt anyone, but being the stinging gadfly of concience, like socrates put it has never been a greater pleasure! Thanks for another chance to let me be myself. Maybe your fragile bones of deception can't take some rough water, I'll let you soak in your shallow pools, what don't you let us freethinkers tackle our torrents. That's how we like it, honest and to the point. We've had our fishbowls, and we're sick of it. Opinion's aways welcom. I just don't know if you're up to hearing mine back everytime. It works both ways you know. Just use some empirical matter next time to back up your argument, hot air makes a problematic foundation. It's time we stop protecting ourselves from ideas, they don't bite, fear does. You sound like the government trying to protect people who climb cliffs. What are we suing "god" for every "obnoxious" offence we might encounter. This is obviously an arena of free expression, If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to read. Unlike missionaries, we're not on your front lawn picketing imposing "group conditioning" ideas based on fear of lifeafter. (reply to this comment)

From Listen Junior College boy Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 01:16 (Agree/Disagree?) Pipe down will ya. Your torrent of words makes a fool of you. The person who wrote the post that you so verbosely responded to, is not religious, hates cults, and hates mind control. But we've seldom been so burdened with the tedious regurgitation of general education classes from a community college. We welcome your learnings, it's just amusing that you feel compelled to publish what seems to be every waking thought you have, not to mention ever photo in your scrap book. For goodness sake. Leave us some mystery will you. The person who wrote the post is not Alf, but was just defending Alf's right to say what he thinks about poetry without the insinuation that he is a proponant of group thought and an advisary of free speech. I'm sure there will be a response to this of biblical porportions, but yawn!!! I'll read it for devotions tomorrow.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 04:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Read this for devotions. I don't fucking give a rats ugly ass! Ugly little bitch! This site is for comments and ideas and "ranting and raving" and whatever the fuck we feel like doing, mr. moderator Who gives a fucking shit! I can fucking download 2003s encyclopedia of pictures if I fucking want. Fuck, I can even write your mom's sex life story and upload all the ugliest black and the full how to scratch your ass in 1000 easy ways streaming video if I feel like it...Maybe you should keep your list of regulations to yourself? Really... Some people need to get a life. You think this is a lot of ideas.... You got something coming. I get bored, I write, I feel like pickin my but, I write, My left nut's got a pub, I write a poem and you get to read it for devotions. I'll let you read my work... or come up with your own. Fine by me, you think I'm shy, you don't even know the slightest thing about me. You still don't get it do you? It's a written discussion... not a show off "be the biggest prick contest." Don't like it bite me! See ya in hell!(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 03:58 (Agree/Disagree?) I still don't know why you hide behind your words? I guess because you think I'm new I should just shut the fuck up and listen to you? So now the rookie's got to remain in mystery until called upon. Well, I'm sorry for not noticing your greatnes discomfort and aching irritation from what I say. Gosh, get real who get's all bundled up and "burndened by words". I still don't quite enjoy the tone of your remark. I'm not askng for an apology,or bo be my friend, but I'm not the one who's going out of his way to fuck with people, and talk trash, I haven't quite figured out why you gotta defend someone who can probably do just as good a job for himself. Ok. so I feel like posting a few pictures, and putting ideas out for friends to see.They're not for you moron. Why don't you just leave me the hell alone and bug someone else. I'm sure there's plenty of space on this site for people to avoid those they don't care to interact with. You still don't make the foggiest sense. I haven't seen anything about you yet mysteryman. It's easy to hide and act snooty at someone you don't know. I don't fucking know your ugly face and I might talk to you in a friendlier tone if you start dealing at an equal level istead of acting like such a spoiled little bitch. I happen to know a few people on this site, and last I check sharing one's ideas, experiences and getting in touch with old friends seems to be just what this site is all about. If you're in on the designing of the site why don't you quit playing tag games of hide and seek and say what's really going on in your pretentious little noodle. You seem to get off on linking my ideas to standard textbooks at JCs, so what? Are you the analy rententive bully that goes around picking grammar mistakes too? Maybe some of my ideas are not entirely original, so what they're still mine. Pipe down my ass. I still don't need your suggestions. Your tone reminded me of some unpleasant people from my past which you seem to like to impersonate, but until you put yourself out a bit more in the open you could be my gay molester uncle as far as I know? If you're part of the group organizing the site it might be helpful for "strangers" like me to get a slight synopsis as to how it all came together... Your puttng me in a bad light, and calling me a fool for talking my mind isn't helping. So why don't you get down your pomptuous ass off your highhorse and give me a piece of what you're really so pissed about. So far this site sounds like a great place hang out and I've enjoyed talking to a lot of old friends. Obviously you're not one of them. Why are you acting like some kind of moderator? Who needs that shit? And I don't see you crying to every other person that likters the site with comments like, what are you on? I don't think Jules is putting out that dissing view, I don't see who the fuck you think you might be to deal in that tone. Sorry, I'm not going away unless I get a good reason to. I'm not going out of my way to give you a hard time, maybe you should consider if you might need to pipe down your agrression towards people who think and feel differently. A bit of respect and room for others to be might be start. If Jules thinks I'm a pain in the neck, she can tell me herself, I don't think she needs your little messenger comments. It could be that I'm overly sensitive, it's not so much what you're saying that bugs me as much as your tone and lack of directness about who you are and what you're really trying to do? You seem to put a lot of work into looking through my profile and searching my info. I mean what's up with the alpha atitude? Who gives a crap? To be honest, I dont' feel like a fool... I mean I was wrong about you being a family spy, lol!But dude,you sure sounded like one. Does that make me an idiot? I don't know... if calling people idiots makes you feel better, hey call me whatever you want. I don't need to be pushed around by some retard who likes to box people into names like "jc boy" and who knows what else. Grow up dude! I've talked to a lot of people who deal with me just fine, I don't give a rats ass for those who think I'm a pain without some good fucking reason. At least I'm not putting words in my friends mouth and acting like a little bitch....(reply to this comment)

From JoeH Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 13:52 (Agree/Disagree?) yeah dude, lighten up, just cause some people don't like your writing doesn't mean they're oppressing your free speech! Jeez!(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 20:00 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks Joe, I'll keep that in mind... You crack me up... Happy holidays!(reply to this comment)

From Wow..when do you work in time to breathe? Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 10:45 (Agree/Disagree?) My 158 word comment produced a 1039 word response. Now that's what I call a good investment. Somewhere in those thunderous volleys (actually they were more like one big noxious cloud) I think I saw the glimmer of a point. I just noticed that today is your Birthday. Happy Birthday. This evening I'll down an ice cold shot of vodka in honor of your loquacious exuberance. Happy Holidays!(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 20:02 (Agree/Disagree?) LOL, no it's not my B-day, thanks though... I was just fucking with you, :) Happy holidays. BTW, logic based on numbers is a pretty famous falacy, Glad you like to follow lemies... Kiddin!(reply to this comment)

from nodding Monday, December 16, 2002 - 00:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Intense stuff there. I wish I could express myself that way. Hope you don't mind though, I have a question about what you mean in line 52 (I hope I counted right). From the context I am not sure you are using the word you meant to. liable = you're on the hook libel = a false and defamatory written statement. May I ask which you mean? (reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Monday, December 16, 2002, 02:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks, it's supposed to be liable, not lible the written version of slander.(reply to this comment)

From nodding Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 22:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Thank you.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 23:47 (Agree/Disagree?) Sure, Anytime! :) my work is open to critiquing! I'm not always that good a speller... Can always use help. In the case that other "faceless poet". I just don't get why some people read poetry if they claim not to like it? LOL! I like to find ways of writting better and expressing myself in a clearer way. And if I'm wrong, all I can do is learn... It's a win/win Thanks again! BTW, do you have a profile? Could it be possible that we have met at some point?(reply to this comment)

From lucidchick Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 21:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Doubt we've met judging from the locations in your profile.(reply to this comment)

From Cultinvator Monday, December 16, 2002, 02:06 (Agree/Disagree?) whooops never do type these words right... do I? It's liable... not libel.(reply to this comment)

from JoeH Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 17:11 (Agree/Disagree?) this is pretty interesting, I'll have to read it a couple more times (reply to this comment)