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Chauvinist rapist apologist on Family Youth Group

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Just a copy of posting on Family Youth Groups in case you were looking to Barf. I figured this would get some peoples hackles up.

On 4/07/2006 at 4:31 PM freeamerica007 wrote:
It is the fourth of july, a national holiday in the United States.
I wish everyone a happy and safe holiday.

I want to talk about something that I believe is important. We all know there is great tension between the sexes all over the world.
This is not what the Lord wanted for his children. The Lord has called us to peace, peace with others,ourselves and most important peace with
the Lord. The Lord has told us that what we do to others we do to him.
If our actions toward others shows how much we love God why is their so much selfness between men and women? I often play out this story in
my mind....There was a pretty women who goes out to clubs that is known as a singles club. There she meets a man and as the night goes on he shows interest is going home with her. This is the point she starts acting like God made a mistake when he created this man and leaves without him. On the way home she has an accident and is killed. What does she say to God? What excuse will she have for not letting this man go home with her? I believe what this young women did is sin and angers God. What right do we have to expect God show love to us unselfly while we are selfish showing love to others? We should pray always for each other and the world we live in.

Don

Posted by: "Priscilla Stevens" Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:32 pm (PST)
Thank you, you said it much better than I could have.
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On 11/07/2006 at 11:21 AM Erik Lensherr wrote:
The original post didn't describe a situation where the woman was offended that she was hit on by a man at the bar but rather a man who was indigninant because he wasn't invited home by the woman and an opinion that this woman was judged by God for her selfishness.

Using the gay bar example: If I were in a gay bar I really couldn't blame some gay man for hitting on a straight guy like me...being the good-lookin' fella that I am. :) But if someone became furious with me because I was being selfish and "starts acting like God made a mistake when he created this man and leaves without him", or saying the law should be on his side so I don't get my way or calling me a sinner because I wasn't being loving enough to invite him home, etc. we would have HUGE, HUGE problem.

There is obviously much to discuss with regard to male/female relations and equality, harrassment, etc. but it looks to me like freeamerica is expressing an opinion that women are inherently inferior and should be subservient to man. This is textbook chauvanism to be polite, and utter pig-headedness (to be impolite) and probably won't get him the kind of female attention he'd like. I'm not blaming the guy for being hurt but why focus negatively on the woman? Why not focus positively on himself: hit the gym with some frequency, go to charm school, get the teeth fixed, get some flattering clothes, and most importantly lose the sense of entitlement that the woman only exists for him.

Marcus DuBach wrote:
I have to say that I DO agree with mr. freeamerica007 on this one. Guys come on! It's a SINGLES (pick up place) BAR (get drunk or at least loosen up a bit)!
Why would a woman go into a singles bar except for one thing. She picked the place; no one made her go in. If I was a woman I would never go in a singles bar if I didn't want to especially meet the kinda guy who drinks and picks up ladies to hook up. That is the point of a singles bar and I think you have to agree with me on that! Both that man and the woman chose not to go to their friends house for dinner that night, or to the book store, or to a 12 step group. The picked a singles bar for their evenings activity.

I bet mr. freeamerica007 also means to say that the woman was rude about being picked up. Again, what was she expecting? These days women think they have the "right" to do entirely stupid things and then righteously get furious when
something unwanted happens to them. So ok, anyone has the right to put themselves in harms way but it's a choice and they have to accept some kind of responsibility for their actions. What if the woman was a guy who went into a gay bar. Wouldn't you say he's just stupid to get mad when someone tries to pick him up? What kind of dope does that on purpose? But when a woman does essentially the same thing she's a poor pathetic victim!!

I don't think you can say this is the end of society as we know it! Sure, people have been claiming that about all sorts of things for centuries. Everyone knows that in 19th century America, african american people were not thought to be as human as whites. As a "lower form of being, not worthy of respect", making them equals was unimagineable to many white people. People said then that society was coming to an end. The changes that Americans went thru to correct those lies and injustices, took a long time and were very disruptive. Mr. freeamerican007's bad experience is an example of the way real change disrupts society in the same way race issues are still being worked out, even now.

Some people here have mentioned love quite a few times. I think respect is another value that is missing in much of society. I expect women in my life, like my mom and my sisters and my friends, to have self respect. If I ever have a daughter someday, I will teach her to avoid a known danger and take responsibility and learn from her bad choices, not blame other people. That's what a real woman does.

freeamerica007 wrote:
thank you for your comments. I may not agree with what you say but I
will defend your right to say it. I do believe I'm right on this
one. Not to change the subject but the womens movement has gotten so
out of control in the United States and so much damage has been done
to society that I expect the United States to fall just like the
Soviet Union did in the next 10 or 15 years. I hope I'm wrong.
This maded up story is an example, the women in the story had no
right to do what she did. I think God would give that message if this
story was real. I respect the fact you do not agree with me. However
I did not hear any comment showing concern about the man in this
story. What about his emotions? What about his side of the story? It
can not be the womens way all the time. There is too many lonely men
out there and the women's movement caused it. God will judge America
for that one day. Mean while I believe God wants women to undo the
damage, if that means women like the one in the story goes home with
the man, so be it. I'm sorry Priscilla if I sound angry, I'm not. I think when a women is wrong like in the story, she should not get here way. the law should be on the man side for a change.

--- In FamilyYouth@yahoogroups.com, "Priscilla Stevens"
wrote:
>
> I think I get what you are trying to say, but sex without love is a
sin. In the Family the emphasis is on showing God's love to each
other using this outlet, but the Law of Love doesn't only include
sex. It is supposed to rule EVERYTHING we do. The man you are talking
about is probably lonely, and I would imagine that the girl is too,
but picking up a stranger in a bar and going home to bed with them is
the height of lunacy, even with disease protection. You should always
get to know someone first before taking it to that level. Remember I
am not speaking of those who are in the Family and have rules that
govern this sort of thing. The vast world out there is full of people
with different motives, fetishes, ideas about sexual behaviour. The
idea that you can show love to someone through sex is a good one, but
is a rare motivation if you are talking about a one night stand.
Since that woman you referred to was probably thinking of the guy as
just another jerk who's trying to get into her pants without taking
the time to get to know her, I don't think her motivations are at
fault and neither do I think God will see it your way either. What we
need in the world is more loving motivation, not more girls going
home with guys. It is a womans nature to want to be emotionally
involved before getting sexually involved.
> --S
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 4/07/2006 at 4:31 PM freeamerica007 wrote:
> It is the fourth of july, a national holiday in the United States.
I
> wish everyone a happy and safe holiday.
>
> I want to talk about something that I believe is important. We all
> know there is great tension between the sexes all over the world.
This
> is not what the Lord wanted for his children. The Lord has called
us to
> peace, peace with others,ourselves and most important peace with
the
> Lord. The Lord has told us that what we do to others we do to him.
If
> our actions toward others shows how much we love God why is their
so
> much selfness between men and women? I often play out this story in
my
> mind....There was a pretty women who goes out to clubs that is
known as
> a singles club. There she meets a man and as the night goes on he
shows
> interest is going home with her. This is the point she starts
acting
> like God made a mistake when he created this man and leaves without
> him. On the way home she has an accident and is killed. What does
she
> say to God? What excuse will she have for not letting this man go
home
> with her? I believe what this young women did is sin and angers
God.
> What right do we have to expect God show love to us unselfly while
we
> are selfish showing love to others? We should pray always for each
> other and the world we live in. Don


Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:21 pm (PST)
LOL! Bravo.

Erik Lensherr wrote: The original post didn't describe a situation where the woman was offended that she was hit on by a man at the bar but rather a man who was indigninant because he wasn't invited home by the woman and an opinion that this woman was judged by God for her selfishness.

Using the gay bar example: If I were in a gay bar I really couldn't blame some gay man for hitting on a straight guy like me...being the good-lookin' fella that I am. :) But if someone became furious with me because I was being selfish and "starts acting like God made a mistake when he created this man and leaves without him", or saying the law should be on his side so I don't get my way or calling me a sinner because I wasn't being loving enough to invite him home, etc. we would have HUGE, HUGE problem.

There is obviously much to discuss with regard to male/female relations and equality, harrassment, etc. but it looks to me like freeamerica is expressing an opinion that women are inherently inferior and should be subservient to man. This is textbook chauvanism to be polite, and utter pig-headedness (to be impolite) and probably won't get him the kind of female attention he'd like. I'm not blaming the guy for being hurt but why focus negatively on the woman? Why not focus positively on himself: hit the gym with some frequency, go to charm school, get the teeth fixed, get some flattering clothes, and most importantly lose the sense of entitlement that the woman only exists for him.


Marcus DuBach wrote:
I have to say that I DO agree with mr. freeamerica007 on this one. Guys come on! It's a SINGLES (pick up place) BAR (get drunk or at least loosen up a bit)!
Why would a woman go into a singles bar except for one thing. She picked the place; no one made her go in. If I was a woman I would never go in a singles bar if I didn't want to especially meet the kinda guy who drinks and picks up ladies to hook up. That is the point of a singles bar and I think you have to agree with me on that! Both that man and the woman chose not to go to their friends house for dinner that night, or to the book store, or to a 12 step group. The picked a singles bar for their evenings activity.

I bet mr. freeamerica007 also means to say that the woman was rude about being picked up. Again, what was she expecting? These days women think they have the "right" to do entirely stupid things and then righteously get furious when
something unwanted happens to them. So ok, anyone has the right to put themselves in harms way but it's a choice and they have to accept some kind of responsibility for their actions. What if the woman was a guy who went into a gay bar. Wouldn't you say he's just stupid to get mad when someone tries to pick him up? What kind of dope does that on purpose? But when a woman does essentially the same thing she's a poor pathetic victim!!

I don't think you can say this is the end of society as we know it! Sure, people have been claiming that about all sorts of things for centuries. Everyone knows that in 19th century America, african american people were not thought to be as human as whites. As a "lower form of being, not worthy of respect", making them equals was unimagineable to many white people. People said then that society was coming to an end. The changes that Americans went thru to correct those lies and injustices, took a long time and were very disruptive. Mr. freeamerican007's bad experience is an example of the way real change disrupts society in the same way race issues are still being worked out, even now.

Some people here have mentioned love quite a few times. I think respect is another value that is missing in much of society. I expect women in my life, like my mom and my sisters and my friends, to have self respect. If I ever have a daughter someday, I will teach her to avoid a known danger and take responsibility and learn from her bad choices, not blame other people. That's what a real woman does.

freeamerica007 wrote: thank you for your comments. I may not agree with what you say but I
will defend your right to say it. I do believe I'm right on this
one. Not to change the subject but the womens movement has gotten so
out of control in the United States and so much damage has been done
to society that I expect the United States to fall just like the Soviet Union did in the next 10 or 15 years. I hope I'm wrong.This maded up story is an example, the women in the story had no right to do what she did. I think God would give that message if this story was real. I respect the fact you do not agree with me. However
I did not hear any comment showing concern about the man in this story. What about his emotions? What about his side of the story? It
can not be the womens way all the time. There is too many lonely men out there and the women's movement caused it. God will judge America
for that one day. Mean while I believe God wants women to undo the damage, if that means women like the one in the story goes home with
the man, so be it. I'm sorry Priscilla if I sound angry, I'm not. I think when a women is wrong like in the story, she should not get here way. the law should be on the man side for a change.

--- In FamilyYouth@yahoogroups.com, "Priscilla Stevens"
wrote:



I think I get what you are trying to say, but sex without love is a sin. In the Family the emphasis is on showing God's love to each
other using this outlet, but the Law of Love doesn't only include sex. It is supposed to rule EVERYTHING we do. The man you are talking
about is probably lonely, and I would imagine that the girl is too, but picking up a stranger in a bar and going home to bed with them is
the height of lunacy, even with disease protection. You should always get to know someone first before taking it to that level. Remember I am not speaking of those who are in the Family and have rules that govern this sort of thing. The vast world out there is full of people
with different motives, fetishes, ideas about sexual behaviour. The idea that you can show love to someone through sex is a good one, but
is a rare motivation if you are talking about a one night stand. Since that woman you referred to was probably thinking of the guy as
just another jerk who's trying to get into her pants without taking the time to get to know her, I don't think her motivations are at
fault and neither do I think God will see it your way either. What we need in the world is more loving motivation, not more girls going
home with guys. It is a womans nature to want to be emotionally involved before getting sexually involved.

--S

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from AnnaH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 14:24

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Normally I choose to ignore these kind of chauvinist arguments because morons can talk all they like but nothing is going to happen, but I'm pepped up on diet pills and bored at work so I’m gonna do something completely futile and address some key issues this post mentions, and/or doesn't. Don't get me wrong, I've heard intelligent chauvinist arguments that, while being a bunch of shit, were difficult to argue and at least had an ounce of intellectuality to back them up. This article is just utterly lacking in logic and is completely stupid that I really should just ignore it and revel in my female superiority that I am so above men to stoop to acknowledge such drivel, but for some reason I want to prove it and refute every possible thing about this post down to the spelling errors. This is mostly for my own entertainment.

Some logical questions about the “maded-up” [sic] story the first guy mentioned:

How did the woman know it was a singles' bar? Was there a flashing sign in the window advertising this? Does she frequent this bar and knows it to be a single's bar?

Assuming there was a flashing sign in the window or she frequents the place and is aware that it is a single's bar, how do we know she is not an alcoholic and is not merely looking for a nightcap and not a one-night stand? As far as I know there is no law saying people in a single's bar have to be single, and have to be looking for a date.

Is he ugly? Assuming she is at a single's bar looking for a date, why should she have to go home with the first guy that hits on her? Is she in the family? Is she a flirty fisher? If not, then she has the right to choose who she invites into her bed. In fact, I believe even flirty fishers had a choice who they “witnessed” to. Let's turn it around, if a total dog comes up and wants to go home with this guy, does he have to the right to refuse? Or would he be so willing to take one for God?

In short, we don't know all the circumstances that led to this woman going home alone so making the judgement that she is a sinner is well out of order. I don't remember any verse or commandment in the bible saying "Thou shalt fuck whomsoever desires it of thee."

And if that brilliant anecdote didn’t assert his ridiculous point of view on women giving it up, he blames the prudence of women on the feminist movement going too far. For one thing, any guy that wants to be getting laid had better thank his lucky stars for the feminist movement. Before that you had to masturbate to drawings of naked women and live for the hope of seeing even an ankle on your lady love. The feminist movement wasn’t about withholding sex, it was about letting go. Hello? Burning bras! What man had a problem with that? The pressure on young girls to have sex today is overwhelming. You want to see what life would be like without the women’s movement? Look at any Muslim majority country! See how much “love” you would get there. Ironically, you could make the argument (and many Muslim women do) that wearing a veil is a hell of lot more feminist than prostituting yourself for men with your short skirts and makeup. This idiot needs to make up his mind about what he wants. Because right now it seems like it’s a bunch of women stupid enough to fall for his logic.

Speaking of logic, ever heard of logical fallacies? There’s one really important one called Correlation implies Causation that only idiots use or smart people who know the idiots will fall for it, and that’s when you link two completely unrelated issues or events in time together to prove one caused the other which is not the case.

Example: Taken from the Simpsons episode, “Much Apu About Nothing.”
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The "Bear Patrol" is working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: [uncomprehendingly] Thanks, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work. (pause) It's just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Another example is when a guy gets into a car accident and the leaders pray about why it happens and come up with the answer that it was because my brother has demons even though he was nowhere near the car when it happened. Yeah, that’s real causative.

But I’m gonna assume that this guy had an ounce of intelligence in forming the statement, “the womens [sic] movement has gotten so out of control in the United States and so much damage has been done to society that I expect the United States to fall just like the Soviet Union did in the next 10 or 15 years,” and that he was simply mistaken in thinking that the women’s movement somehow led to the fall of the USSR (Which is exactly the kind of commie attitude I would expect from a ex-fam member). I certainly would hate to think he just randomly linked two problems he knew nothing about to prove his point. Furthermore, have you seen or heard of the situation in the former Soviet Union? From what I’ve heard from the good folks at the Exile, gorgeous sluts and prostitutes run rampant. Seems to me you would want that kind of fall. But then again, apart from sex, this guy really doesn’t know what he wants, does he?

One more thing that disturbed me, and really didn’t surprise me at all, was the following comment by Marcus DuBach, if that is his real name. *coughs “douchebag.”*
These days women think they have the "right" to do entirely stupid things and then righteously get furious when something unwanted happens to them. So ok, anyone has the right to put themselves in harms [sic] way but it's a choice and they have to accept some kind of responsibility for their actions. So ok, anyone has the right to put themselves in harms [sic] way but it's a choice and they have to accept some kind of responsibility for their actions. What if the woman was a guy who went into a gay bar. Wouldn't you say he's just stupid to get mad when someone tries to pick him up? What kind of dope does that on purpose? But when a woman does essentially the same thing she's a poor pathetic victim!!

As if walking into a singles’ bar for a drink justifies getting raped. This sounds suspiciously like the rantings of a former ex-fam member, who unfortunately had to leave to have a pineapple shoved up his ass every day in hell. In case, you don’t know what I’m talking about you can refer to the following web page to see exactly what David Berg’s opinion on rape was. http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Berg_on_Rape It goes something like, it’s your fault for wearing tight jeans, give into it or you’ll get hurt and you won’t get credit for it in heaven. There’s also an interesting article on “Heaven’s Girl,” a family heroine who uses her gang-rape to witness to end-time soldiers.

Last thing, who said Love=Sex? (Yes, I know David Berg said it, but it’s meant to be a rhetorical question) Sex is one of many expressions of love, and why is sex considered to be showing “God’s Love?” Besides, I thought getting fucked by God was a bad thing.

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From AndyH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 15:59

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Hooray! You finally joined in the fun. This is a fantastic way to stay entertained at work, I think that's what most of us are doing here.

I especially like the point you made about the feminist movement being good for men as well. I think that it would shock the Christian right that fights pre-marital sex, to see a muslim nation; they've successfully defeated pre-marital sex, but young men default to fucking each-other, as getting laid before marriage is virtually impossible. I had an Iraqi man tell me "Women are for babies, men are for fun." So there's your utopia, Pat Robertson. Would you trade one sin for another?

What on earth did you mean by "Which is exactly the kind of commie attitude I would expect from a ex-fam member"? Do you find that Ex-members are predominantly communists? I certainly don't. Besides, I think that the person you were referring to is a current member.

"This sounds suspiciously like the rantings of a former ex-fam member, who unfortunately had to leave to have a pineapple shoved up his ass every day in hell." Who? Berg?

I'm glad to see you hear, dear sister. I'm so glad we got out when we did, and you grew up to be a strong-willed (if not a bit bitchy) adult, rather than a mindless sex-drone.

Y'all come back now, ya hear?


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From *here
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 18:57

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From AnnaH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 16:20

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I'm sorry, I meant family member. That guy's still in the family, isn't he? I personally thought the family was pretty communist in their thinking. Ever read the poem, "The land of not too much." That reeks of Marxism. (reply to this comment
From Big Sister
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 21:45

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As I mentioned below freeamerica007 is probably NOT in the family, all the others probably are. They were tolerant of him because TF trains people to close themselves off emotionally from disturbing events or people. They should have jumped all over the guy (like you would here) but their training makes them passive.

Most significant, I think, is that the Family STILL attracts people like freemaerica, who has seriously disturbed ideas, and nobody tells him to get lost. The threat of abuse to children in TF may be less now, but I am quite sure it is not gone.(reply to this comment
From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 16:26

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I think you're right about the original poster not being a member and the other participants probably being current "FamilyYouth" with the exception of yours truly who is quoted in the thread of the posts expressing my disagreement with freeamerica. I generally don't post much to that group as it takes a lot of time to be diplomatic enough to not be censored.(reply to this comment

From Big Sister
Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 19:41

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Oh! Yeah, there you are! Funny that!(reply to this comment
From AndyH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 17:03

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AH! You did it again! I said I didn't think EX-MEMBERS had communist attitudes. Stop confusing the 2.

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From AnnaH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 17:18

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And I said I thought the family (current members) were communist, just as a matter of fact, not to challenge what you said. God! Not everything is about you.(reply to this comment
From AndyH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 18:57

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That statement was counter-revolutionary. Now go say fifty hail-Andy's, and write a 500 word essay about how cool I am.(reply to this comment

from AndyH
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 07:47

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There are many ways for small-dicked sexist assholes to hide or justify their primitive mindsets. Religion is a very popular one. The other is the innacurate notion that the womans movement has gone too far. If it seems that laws have gone to the other extreme, it is only because there is still so much gross oppression that these laws are neccessary to check it.
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from lisa
Monday, July 17, 2006 - 18:13

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Someone asked me if I thought that the current generation of children in the Family was at risk? I have really been considering this, and I have to say that if this is the attitude the are teaching their young girls then, hell yea their at risk. This reminds me of all those 'auntys' telling us to be sexy, and all those 'Mo' letters about how its so evil for women to say no to sex and be 'cold hearted systemites'. It took me years to realise I din't have to say yes to every Hairy-toms-dick. Or that I was allowed to say no without being ashamed. I hate the thought that young girls are growing up not valuing themselves and easy and (conditioned) willing prey.
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From Big Sister
Monday, July 17, 2006, 20:14

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I have three comments on this.
First, there is only one woman in the post above (which appears in full, repeated twice)She says: "picking up a stranger in a bar and going home to bed with them is
the height of lunacy..." Which sounds to me like she disagrees with the freeamerica guy. As far as I can see, none of the other people agree with this guy. However, they need to hear a stronger statement to counteract his disturbed point of view. So...
Second: Can anyone here go to that group and post the "only rapists can prevent rape" list that RainChild posted?
Third: There’s even more to this story: Google turns up this same “freeamerica007” also posting to http://www.libchrist.com which calls itself: Liberated Christians Polyamory, Swing, Biblical, Sybian Cyper Center. The site states: “We believe that many Christians…have misunderstood the Christian message and Christian spirituality because of the distorted views of sexuality and intimate relationships that have been taught by the church. We believe that a fuller spirituality in every area can be enjoyed by replacing these views with healthier ones based on clearer biblical translation and interpretation.”
His post there, in part, was, “I think your ideas on this website is (sic) right on.”
Interesting that a Family member supports so-called Liberated Christians outside the cult. Or, perhaps it’s the other way, that freeamerica007 is not in TF but is attracted to TF because his “swinging Christian lifestyle” might be acceptable to Family members.
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'Interesting that a Family member supports so-called Liberated Christians outside the cult. Or, perhaps it’s the other way, that freeamerica007 is not in TF but is attracted to TF because his “swinging Christian lifestyle” might be acceptable to Family members.'

I think the latter is the more likely one. The language used doesn't sound like a family member to me.


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From Rain Child
Monday, July 17, 2006, 20:56

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I can do that. I'm on Yahoo.(reply to this comment
From Rain Child
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 02:58

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I tried but I can't figure that board out. I don't know if my message was posted, and I can't figure out how to see all the subjects, etc.(reply to this comment
from loch
Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:17

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All this brings to mind is the "date rape" song. 311 right?
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From Mr.T
Monday, July 17, 2006, 13:35

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SUBLIME!!!(reply to this comment
From Conqueror of Uranus
Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 03:28

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Sublime-

Date Rape

let me tell you about a girl I know,
had a drink about a hour ago
sitting in a corner by herself,
in a bar in downtown hell.
she heard a noise and she looked through the door.
and saw a man she'd never seen before.
light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.

well

her heart raced as he walked through the door
and took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
"my brand new car is parked right outside.
how'd ya like to go for a ride?"

and she said

"wait a minute I have to think."
he said."that's fine. may I please buy you a drink"
one drink turned into 3 or 4
and they left and got into his car
and they drove away someplace real far.

now babe the time has come.
how'd ya like to have a little fun?
and she said.
"if we could only please be on our way
I will not run."

that's when things got out of control.
she didn't want to, he had his way.
she said."let's go" he said."no way!"

come on babe it's your lucky day.
shut your mouth, were gonna do it my way.
come on baby don't be afraid,
if it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid.

he finished up and he started the car
he turned around and drove back to the bar
he said."now baby don't be sad,
in my opinion you weren't half-bad."
she picked up a rock,threw it at the car,
hit him in the head, now he's got a big scar.
come on party people won't you listen to me.
date rape styley.

the next day she went to her drawer,
looked up her local attorney at law,
went to the phone and filed a police report
and then she took the guy's ass to court.

well

the day he stood in front of the judge, he screamed.
"she lies that little slut!"
the judge knew that he was full of shit
and he gave him 25 yrs
and now his heart is filled with tears.

one night in jail it was getting late.
he was butt-raped by a large inmate
and he screamed.
but the guards paid no attention to his cries.

that's when things got out of control.
the moral of the date rape story,
it does not pay to get drunk and horny.

but that's the way it had to be.
they locked him up and threw away the key
well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind(reply to this comment

From loch
Monday, July 17, 2006, 15:28

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from Nick
Monday, July 17, 2006 - 08:46

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I really can not believe I actually read that! That is about one of the sicker posts I have seen in a while.

Basically he is saying that women are made for men to pick up and have sex with and if they refuse they are not showing men the lords love and should be punished. Hmmmmm, you know, I thing I am gonna try that line next time I am drunk at a bar and get refused sex.

Just shows what perverted losers these people are. I can not believe my poor sister is still around these perverts!


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From Nick
Monday, July 17, 2006, 09:06

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This also reminded me of something I observed at a family home lately.

I was talking to the little sister of a friend of mine who still lives in a family home. Little sis was telling me about a couple that are my age that are splitting up. The women in the couple really is a very good looking girl, way out of the husbands league, but the guy keeps cheating on her with a 18 yr old in the home. The wife finally had enough and wants to leave him.

Now the thing about this whole story that gets to me most of all is that the husband simply can not understand what he did wrong. He feels like she is completely unreasonable and how dare she "betray" him like that when all he did was share the lords love with that needy little 18 yr old hottie.



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from Rain Child
Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:36

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http://www.dianablaine.com/2005/11/only_rapists_can_prevent_rape.html
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from vixen
Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 16:19

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I don't think it's funny at all. I think it's really fuckin sad!


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From weegirlie
Monday, July 17, 2006, 02:18

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Yeah, that made me physically sick to my stomach!! People like this need to be put in straightjackets until an experienced psychiatrist can analyse them and get to the bottom of this revolting misogyny. A couple of walking menaces to society!! :((reply to this comment
from lisa
Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 16:14

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Thank you I really needed a good laugh
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