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BURNING MAN 2004 - Any burner XGAs? | from Cultinvator - Tuesday, September 14, 2004
accessed 2384 times Burning man is the best thing that ever happend to me and I'm wondering if anyone here's been to the dazzling carnival in the desert North of Reno? 
Burning man is the best thing that ever happend to me and I'm wondering if anyone here's been to the dazzling carnival in the desert North of Reno?
It stands for everything I love
Extreme Self-Reliance
Extreme Self-Expression
Words can't express what goes on in a burn, for starters it's completely different from anything I'd ever dream of in terms of utopia come true.
30,000 people in the desert making shit happen in the most innovative way and getting along like they've know each other forever.
Once you get in nothing is for sale! It's all free, art, concerts, massages, sex, the weirdest and most amazing shit you can't possibly imagine, even for a dreamer like me.
No dogma, just pure energy!
My new Fucking Mecca!
I can't be the first xF to have seen this? Am I? |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from exister
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 07:59
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Yawn...
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| from Lance
Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 00:32
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Well if anything it sounds like a mecca of ideas and inspiration for artists and writers, or just crazy motherfukers. Maybe I'll check it out someday before it becomes too much of a tourist atraction.
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| | | | from Shaka
Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 10:35
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From what I hear from people who have been there, Burning Man is nothing more than a giant crack party where everybody walks around naked or covered in mud, fucking huge numbers of complete strangers. Must be a nice breeding ground for any number of VDs. Have fun but bring a shitload of antibiotics.
South Park quote of the day: "Goddamn hippies! I hate 'em!" (Cartman)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |  From Vicky
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 13:40
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Why all the animosity Shaka? Are you really so vehemently opposed to the idea that some people just don't relate to life the way that you do, or is there more to this exchange than meets the eye? I don't understand why you are bothering to go on and on with this, since to my understanding the original article was adressed to those who may have attended this event and/or who share Culti's appreciation for the less conventional lifestyle.
I have to say that some of you who live in the Great 'Land of The Free' sure don't seem to understand much about what that principle fucking means! Why can't people just get along and live and let live??? (See, I really am a hippie chick at heart! : P)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Shaka
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 19:21
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Ok, for starters I have no animosity toward Cultinvador. I consider him a friend and I actually enjoy his company and being around him. I don't see eye to eye with him on many issues and I like to debate, just like he does. But that doesn't mean there is any personal dislike toward him on my part. Our personalities are at opposite ends of the spectrum and I would expect him to voice his opinions when he disagrees with something I say, which he does regularly as anyone with the ability to read can attest to.
My opinion of this Burning Man Festival has nothing whatsoever to do with Culti. It is based completely on stories told to me by people who have been there. It may be a great place for some but it's not a place I would go to because hippie love/drug fests are not my thing. And I have every right to bash it, just as Culti has every right to talk positively about something he enjoys. Culti is very left-wing (duh) and I am on the tip of right-wing (major duh) so there will always be clashes in our opinions. But that doesn't mean we are enemies. (Give us a call sometime Jon, long time no see. We go drinkie) Whoever disagrees with me but can stay objective and doesn't get personal, more power to you. But anyone who has a real problem with me, fuck ya very much. Ta ta
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| | From Cultinvator
Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 00:59
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Shaka and I are friends in deed, so is Sarafina and Rick, we bitch online so that we can spend party time drinking and partying...lol. We should kick it sometime. I've just been really buisy with school and all, after this week's midterm I'll get a breather.
Yea, so about right wing/leftwing... OK a good amount of my ideas are not very right wing, but actually I bitch a lot about the leftwing anti order in real life. I grew up in Europe where although some countries are considered liberal, a lot are also quite conservative in southern parts of Europe. So I feel like the U.S war is often not my war. In some ways the U.S has become everyone's picture because we are the new "Rome" in our agressive means and goals as energy users and wealth goes to every corner of our planet, not to include our media splash which is seen all over, we're overrated by far and we also are the first democratic federation who's constitution has been replicated by a lot of the west, so I guess there is a lot of mixed feelings. I'm not a pacifist, and pop a label on my and I'll keep it from sticking because I am better known as a mut than any one breed or category and I enjoy the complexity. I think a lot of us are on this site. We have a brain to think independantly in spite of the right or the left. I guess short, simplistic labels are something that never quite did it for me regardless of if you're a hippy drummer on the beach blabbing about how the world is so much more fucked up than when you were young or if you're a jughead by Camp Pendleton... I'll take you individually in spite of who you are and where you came from. Each idea and action should be taken independantly. That's why I like Chris Rock he doesn't let himself be put on one side or the other, it's all mixed, and it's still coherant with his own persona.
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| | | | | From sarafina
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 19:01
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Why do you think just because Shaka disagrees with something that he is automatically storing animosity toward the person? John is just merely repeating what he heard about the place. I can attest to everything he’s said about it. I know ALL about “burning man” and know tons of people who have gone. For one cultivator happens to be friend of mine and Shaka merely likes to argue his point as does cultinvador. As for Burning man maybe it has changed over the last few years but as of two years ago it was just as Shaka described. I know 10 people a few years ago that used to go every year and come back with tons of pictures and stories. It isn’t as pure as it looks on the website believe me. All I can tell you without all the details is that’s about what most of it is all about. There are no rules or cops allowed so everyone can do all the drugs they want and fuck who ever they want.
The basic rules is whatever you do there stays there, this went for the couples I knew who went, it was the one time a year they could sleep around with whoever they want there and then went back to their married lives when they got back. Now I’m sure to some this is their Idea of heaven. Unlimited drugs, free love oh yeah and art. It’s sort of like those old hippy gatherings. So to each his own it does have it’s good points it is very artistic and there are lots of things to trip on. But it is very hot out there and lots of sand storms and there are no showers unless you bring a camper or water shower bag. So if this is your “thing” have fun and be safe. I however advise against it.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Cultinvator
Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 01:20
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Actually Rangers are driving all over and they will pull you over and arrest you if they find you using. And just like any other club if you do drugs and can hold your shit, no one is going to bother you either.
You are completely responsible for your behaviour and if you're having a hard time coping you'll get that feedback from those who notice. If you start tripping over and start knocking shit over no one is going to want to be around you so, like it depends on how you handle.
No, there are actually a lot of places to take showers, or there were this year. One of the creative 'rides' is this huge bag you get dumped in and flushed with water, kind of like a device you'd see in a modern art museum. But you can get a great scrub and even a full spa from professionals who do it at resorts if you have the initiative to find it in the magazine 'what where when'.
Private camps have very well set up showers all over. I mean maybe the earlier camps were different? On the burning man documentary you can see that, and I have a copy if you want to watch it. I'm just bored tonight so I'm answering comments... I know Burning man is totaly not for everyone. Honestly I totally get along with you guys, but I still don't think you Sara and Shaka would like this. I could be wrong, you might have that adventurous unpredictable side of discovering things you feel disgusted with origninally, but I wouldn't bother paying for a ticket if you feel like it would be too taxing if you don't get what you're looking for.
There were some things I didn't care for, I wasn't as prepared in some ways but I think what it makes me do is be better prepared next time. So instead of blaming the event I see it mostly as something that comes from either my preparation or my perception.
Very little is actually centrally organized, the rest is spontaneous people doing what they dream of and for me to see all that crazy crazy extreme art is just sick, like willy wonka saw the chocolate factory as sick fuckin amazing.
So just dispelling the myths from my perspective. I think even the rough things made the partying all the more fun and unpredictable, but I might be overly optimistic... I did have a great trip in more ways than one.
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| | | | | From Vicky
Monday, September 20, 2004, 02:14
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Shaka and Sarafina, I'll just reply to both your posts in order to save time : )
Okay, I realise I went a little OTT there; Now that I look back over the various posts I can see that I really didn't have cause to complain. I'm not even sure why it bothered me, except that like I've said before I really am a hippie chick at heart. I was born and lived the first five years of my life as a true dyed-in-the-wool hippie kid and I will probably die feeling a natural affinity with the more unconventional among us. I have in my time made the rounds through many many hippie-esque interests, some being Astrology/Numerology/Tarot/I Ching/Crystal Healing/Reiki/Feng Shui/Wannabe Vegetarianism(That lasted about a month)/Etc etc, and although I am now pretty much over all that malarky I guess the vestiges remain as a part of my general personality. I feel silly now for being so sensitive on the issue. No offense intended!(reply to this comment) |
| | From Wolf
Monday, September 20, 2004, 20:39
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I’m surprised you didn’t get your fill of astrology in TF … I remember the bad ‘ol days when the first three questions we asked a member of the opposite sex were:
What’s your sun sign?
How old are you?
(Providing the answers to 1 and 2 were satisfactory) I know of a bed (or sofa, kitchen counter, shower, toilet, etc.) that’s free for the next 35 minutes. How about it? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Cultinvator
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 00:14
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I don't know what burning man you were attending to, but out of the thousands of attractions at the burn, the person who told you about them was probably tripping pretty deep on the negative slope. I never saw any of what you describe, and I wasn't looking for it, I'm sure the restrooms include include shit, but do you say that a club is out of it just because there is shit sitting in the toilet. People see what they want.
I can agree that someone who dislikes being completely in control probably would hate such a venturous scene. I thought it was fun going with the flow and discovering how great freedom to do what you want, and yes, that includes making mistakes, dealing with duststorms, risking protected sex with people you've just met, but hey if life is not about risking something, it aint worth living! All people die, not all really live.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Cultinvator
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 00:25
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Ok two corretions. (I wish there was a way to edit the damn articles once they're posted) I said that people who dislikes being in control. I meant out of control. No not on pot, just a long day...lol! People who like to be obsessively in control of other's behaviour (being in control of your own in my opinion is great, and usually means you care about where you're headed, but control frieks have been know to dislike burning man, because most people there don't really give a shit if your idea of the world doesn't fit into theirs, they thrive on originality differences, and finding a way to harmonize all your unique features in a way that works for everyone. You get the beautiful, the ugly, the fat and the skinny. People fly from Tokyo, London, Sydney to attend and if someone doesn't like it, I don't really care. The show is sold out, must have some appeal. And no, the steroetype of granola eating hippies doesn't match the scene. Poor bead makers can't sell enough beeds to make it into the doors. If you can't think orignally enough to pay the price to get in, you probably don't want it bad enough. (but I love most hippies, and I'm sure if they grow out of the profile into free spirits, even if they chose to keep some hippy trends, who cares, all the power to them, certainly beats tight ass, redneck robots who can't think for themselves outside the tight confines of their inbread shithole.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Vicky
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 12:09
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Since I have no way of knowing who you are I really can't be bothered to take the bait... Well, actually, I'll just say that you seem to be getting all hot and bothered over a silly comment made entirely in jest and on a subject that has little or no relevance to most of those who post here. I guess I'm wondering why you even cared enough to write the above!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Weedvolution
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:52
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So what have we here, a believer in the Big Bong theory!
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| | | | | | | from exister
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:53
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Have any of you seen the Reno 911 episode in which Lt. Dangle and 2 of his officers dress up in obscene outfits and head into the desert for some under cover work at the Burning Man Festival? The whole thing unravels when they get lost and end up getting arrested themselves. Hilarious.
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| from Jules
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 09:00
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Some of my friends go to this event regularly.
Personally, the thought of being stuck out in the middle of the desert with hordes of naked "free spirits" is not really my idea of fun.
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| | | | | | | from Nick
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:21
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Yeah, I am sure that just like communism it is a great concept. Just try to keep something like that up for more that one week and you will realize why society is not one big “sharing”, granola smoking sex fest.
I’d rather take a weekend in some “Sodom and Gomorra” like Vegas any day. But hey, if that’s the way you chose to express yourself then more power to ya.
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| From Cultinvator
Sunday, September 19, 2004, 00:40
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Hey I'm not saying burning man is the ONLY place to have fun, but it's been the best match for me, my life is only started. I like vegas but the plastic life gets old soon for me. I'll go there anyways when I crave plastic from time to time. Burning man is just a great phenomenon right now, who knows what it'll be tomorrow?
There is plenty of Sodom there too, if that's what you're looking for. I was never sure in the bible if sodom was just a place know for gays and lesbians or a city of pleasure, or both?
Either way freedom to be a sodomite rocks, and freedom to not be one works great too.
Try it all is what I say, if it doesn't kill you or hurt others it probably makes you wiser and more alive!(reply to this comment) |
| | From pharmaboy
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 00:11
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That's why it only lasts a week and has no illusions of eternity, if you look at history nothing lasts forever, no matter how much the humans at the time liked to believe that it would. Finally something which glorifies plurality and difference. Who ever would want a permanent burning man gathering? Although in open dissent with the rampant "democratic" standardization of all aspects of life today and the flattening of diversity in the name of the "greater" good, this unpretentious gathering, unlike communism, never presented itself as a model for the ultimate, worldwide utopia. Just free expression, that's all.
One man's heaven is another's hell, as they say...
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| | From Cultinvator
Wednesday, September 15, 2004, 23:46
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I saw yuppies and hippies, punks and regular people pretty randomly distributed. Art, fucking amazing expression, and selfreliance stood out as a main theme, but some can't stand being away from 'safe haven'. But unless you're ready to risk something you probably won't really get it.
Some prefer not to deal with the elements, hey to each his own.
I enjoy the type of crowd and wouldn't like it any other way... It takes leaving it all behind to appreciate what it is.(reply to this comment) |
| | from pharmaboy
Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:45
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I've heard of it, and what would I do to attend!! Pity it's so far away..
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| from Cultinvator
Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 23:42
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I paid $250 almost a week before the event. But didn't regret it one bit. I'd pay $1000 to go back if that's what it took. It beats any concert, rave, travel I've ever taken in my short 27yr life.
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| From exister
Wednesday, September 15, 2004, 08:08
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$250? So I guess it really isn't "all free." Does the price of admission include antibiotics?
Reminds me of when the Rainbow Family had their get together in the Boise National Forest. I drove out for my regular weekend excursion and the highway was packed with teenage hippy wannabes hitching rides from creepy old men in tie dyes driving those "molester special" vans with the high ceiling camper conversion.
At the gas station in Stanley I got panhandled by some barefoot and dazed girl wearing a flowery skirt. The entire town was overrun with deadbeat hippies and the sheriff was having a fit.
As I drove back in the dark I realized that there was an unusual amount of wildlife dashing across the highway and getting hit by cars, probably as a result of their forest being infested by thousands of weed smokers.
All this to say that I hope you are cleaning up after yourselves, and please do keep it south of the state line.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Jessica
Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 23:24
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There sure is! - My best friend Eliza is also a "Burning Man" convert! She went last year and spent the next few months raving about it. I think you might know her - her sisters are Willow and Carina.
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| | | | | | | from Baxter
Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 22:04
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Just out of curiosity, when is 'Burning Man'? I've heard about it (being a big fan of 'The Wicker Man'), and I figure I should probably make the trip at some point in my life. Anyway, more info would be appreciated.
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