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Getting in Touch : Connections
Trying to get in touch! | from Jerome - Sunday, December 26, 2004
accessed 1935 times From "U.Paul"; trying to get in touch! I am trying to see if anyone out there in cyber land remembers me; hope you don't mind I am not a young adult; just trying to get in touch with old friends and students.
I left the Family a few months ago because i felt it was more effective to serve the Lord without it. I am curious as to what some of the people whom I took care of and taught think of me today, and if there are any grieviances that I need to address. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Fish
Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 01:01
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This douche can’t be real. It’s probably some ass-sucker playing a joke.
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| from Wolf
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 21:59
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Somehow I find it hard to believe that grown people could genuinely be so stupid, even if they were mentally retarded enough to join a cult. Maybe uncles Everfart and Jeerome miss the kicks they got out of beating innocents in TF and are trying to get a rise out of seeing some of us get pissed off.
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| from Jerseygirl
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 14:25
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I think the fact that Evanman and Jerome seem to be especially fond of the sentence "I don't understand, please explain" shows precisely why it's so infuriating to have to listen to them on this site.
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| from neez
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:50
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So many fruitcakes lately. Must be a seasonal thing.
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| from neez
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:41
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ROFL... You must be joking.
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| from ex-Bangkok TC inmate
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:31
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Hmm, "any grievances that I need to address"??? This is just way too fucking funny! I just totally cannot think of ANYTHING that could've possibly happened in probably the most repressive and abusive part of ASSCRO! Umm, seriously, you were one of the worst out at the Bangkok TC and it would take awhile to list the grievances during yr 2 year tenure, I just dont have the time. Hey, here's a thought, yr son and yr step-son are on this site -- look up the user profile zac_stone and maybe you both can have a wonderful heart-to-heart email chat here and find out a few -- then again, maybe everything's just peachy with Isaac and Joe, somehow I wouldn't think so.
The only thing that could top this is if the whole Jumbo mafia came on and asked if there might be 1 or two insignificant "grievances that I need to address". Would that possibly explain?
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|  From Jerome
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 12:17
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I am an individual and i am asking this on an individual basis. What was your name then? Let me know at least a couple, you could come up with that at least. You seem to have some serious issues and the best way to deal with them is to communicata, not to undescriminately bash, unless of course, you don't want to deal with the issues, in which case you have got nothing to complain about! Tell me of things that are related to myself, without "groupizing" Also, please,, I feel very uncomfortable with cuss words, if you don't mind!
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| | From The Pedantic Prick
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 12:47
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"I feel very uncomfortable with cuss words" Fuck yeah, man, I totally know you fucking feel, Uncle Fartamore! PT-Fucking-L, sir! I fucking hate all the potty-mouthed shitheads on this motherfucking Web site! I mean, God fucking dammit!, is it such a bitch to express oneself without resorting to so much shit-spewing? I don't care how many serious fucking issues you have, if you can't control your god-damned mouth, you're an asshat and a fucktard! Jesus Fucking Penis Christ have mercy on us all!(reply to this comment) |
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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 06:19
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| | | | | | | from cassy
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 05:07
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Hi Paul. Just thot I'd mention a few things in your post that would come across offensive to most of us here on the site that will read this. If I explain then I think you'll understand better why you may get some curt remarks back. Seeing as you haven't been long out it may just be insensivity on your part, but I do think it's admirable that you want to contact anyone that you may have hurt in the past and apologise for.
First, using the word "uncle" -- we are adults here now, and the fact that unless any one of those teens or kids you lived with were in fact your nephews or neices, being reminded of the times when we were forced to call everyone "uncle" or "auntie" (and yes, it wasn't voluntary) right away sends off the rejection bells. Maybe just use your name and other personal details/discriptions of yourself. Thanks.
Another is your reasoning for leaving in order to "serve the Lord better elsewhere". --Many if not the majority on this site have gone through terrible ordeals and abuse at the hands of the Family, some kicked out with only the shirts on their backs. So, again, your insensitivity and lack of awareness or denial of this abuse is a slap in the face (albiet I don't believe intentionally --I hope).
The other is, perhaps before posting you should browse the site a little more and read some of the material on here. You'll find out what we think of "teen shepherds". You just come across as incredibly naive that we would have warm and fuzzy feelings towards the whole setup. While you may have been sincere in your desire to "help" those who were in your care, you were part of the machine that tried to manipulate and brainwash us into "yielded family disciples", and for this you bare part of the blame.
In saying this, there are first generation who have reached out and tried their best to make ammends, and that's commendable, I'm just warning you that you'll need to be willing to take some flak without complaint and not be shocked or surprised if you get it. Hope that helps.
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| From Jerome
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 12:36
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3- I have my own issues to deal with and I don't care to :fuel" my flame with other people's, as I think that it is conter-productive when you are trying to "move on". Moving on means forgetting the past and going agead. I did browse thae site a bit and I saw a lot of peole stuck in the past and actually not "moving on". It sounded to me more like a "support group" than a healing process helping one to move on. I consider that the only person who can criticize someone's virtues is someone who can show higher virtues if not we are like people trying to remove the straw in someone'sd eye whil;e we have a beam in our own!
4-I know wht people think of teen shepherds, but again I think that "groupizing" is a low of critiking. Every case against the Family has been lost because they attaked the Family as a group. Fight on an individual basis. I also happen to believe (and you will probably disagree) that I had a good relationship with a lot of teens during my time; these are the ones I am trying to get in touch with, and that seems to rule you out. Some people have been seriously hurt, and I am in touch myself with several FM teens who felloship and witness with us and these who have been hurt ndiserve an apology, but others just don't like any form of authority and they have to take it to the Lord.
5-I'll take ny flack; I am not afraid of it, I have already talked with a lot of people!
My advice to you, stop generalizing, move on and get a life!
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| | | | | From cassy
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 15:30
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I didn't ask you for advice for my life so please don't give it. It's great and couldn't be better. I honestly was trying to help you out with a little explanation to understand why some people may respond to your post in a less than positive way, and if you were anywhere near the half decent person I know many others to be, you would have thanked me for it instead of replying the way you did. You have now succeeded in seriously pissing me off with your present attitude, it has nothing to do with the past. Sorry. None of here need excuses, we've heard them. If you want to make ammends, just say sorry--no strings attached.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From JohnnieWalker
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 15:11
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Jerome,
I may, perhaps, have discovered the reason for your apparent misconception of what is taking place here, namely this: "Moving on means forgetting the past and going ahead."
You are wrong, Jerome. It does not.
Moving on for us means we finally get the chance to deal with our issues. It means we are finally granted a medium through which to voice our rage. It means we can address the issues openly without fear of retribution. Once they have been addresses and rectified, then, and only then, is it time to move on.
Do you realise you contradicted yourself by asking, on the one hand, if there are "any grievances that [you] need to address" and on the other hand telling us we need to forget the past and move on?
Or perhaps this was your intention all along--to have us spill out our hearts with grievances about those in your generation, only to coldly chime in with the rest of the Family's drones in telling us to "forget the past already."
Why is it that the loudest cries of "forgive and forget" always seem to come from those who should themselves be begging forgivness?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Jerome
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 12:27
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1- I used "U" as an identity in order to be recognized. No offense meant; I do know that you are all adults, or trying to be. I still run a mission of young teenagers/youth at risk type of people and no one calls me Uncle.. The only person we are supposed to say "uncle" to is Jesus!
2-I am sorry for all that happened to anyone and to be honest these are the reasons that I left also because I felt that things were really not right. I stayed as long as I could and even tried to be a voice to change things, but it only got me in trouble, so I am absolutely aware of everything as I saw decisions made first hand. On the hand though, i have not grown ujp in the family but have received as much if not worst treatment in my teenage years in the systme. I had to take every thing to Jesus and He helped me; not The Family, but Jesus, and He is still helping me today. Yes serving the Lord is a good thing and I don't see why any ordeal one may have incurred in their Church, family life, or whatever would keep one from serving the Lord. Whatever wrong happened to anyone was caused by The Family, not the Lord. People need to learn to dissociate the amily from the Lord. Yes The Family is in error in many ways, but the Lord and the Bible are not wrong! What made me leave is an study of the Bible which showed me that the Family had lost the Spirit of God a long time ago!.(reply to this comment) |
| | From At-Risk youth finder
Wednesday, December 29, 2004, 07:23
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Jerome, since you work with at risk youth, I must definitely recommend you to a poor lost youth who lives near you in Portland, OR. His name is Joe H and he is lost because he lost his faith in Jizzus and chose to serve the computer-programming mammon and is going to hell because of it -- oops, sorry I meant to say everlasting shame and contempt since he must have said the prayer at age 2.
He could help you learn basic grammar, punctuation, sentence structure and such, some of those things which "fell by the wayside" in TF -- while you could bring him back to Jesus' loving fold so he can become an on-fire-youth-evangelist-computer-programmer.
The lord told me that Joe lost his faith because he hasn't been faithful with Word-class, choosing instead to study the devil's mammon-inspired correct usage of words, so there's still hope he'll come back to the fold after a fresh bible study.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Vicky
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 13:04
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And so the misplaced condescension continues: '...I do know that you all are adults, or trying to be...' Yes, I am an adult, thank you very much, and I don't even have to try particularly hard! Imagine that!
Then, the use of irrelevant and inane slogans: 'The only person we are supposed to say 'uncle' to is Jesus.' Ummm, don't think so!
And finally, to add insult to injury, an attempt to witness to us! The gall! We, who have heard it all countless times before and see no need to spend another precious minute entertaining such superstitious rabble, are fine without your Jesus!
I understand that you have only recently left the cult, so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as to the 'good intentions' you have in coming here. But the fact is that your naivete and lack of any true understanding of the ordeals that many suffered in TF is testament to the thirty years you spent enmeshed in TFs screwed up ideology, and believe me, it's going to take a great deal of time to work it out of you. You still sound like a self-righteous teen shepherd who doesn't really believe that he did anything wrong, and if you are going to continue in that frame of mind I warn you that you are going to have to deal with a lot of pissed off people! (reply to this comment) |
| | from The Pedantic Prick
Monday, December 27, 2004 - 17:13
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Fuck off.
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Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 16:59
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No, I don't know you, although I have heard of the atrocities performed by yourself and many other "teen shepherds".
No, you don't know me, and its lucky you that you don't.
No, you haven't done anything to me, But what you have done to mygeneration makes my anger for you burn with a fierce hatred.
My day was great, thanks to the fact that I am no longer a brainwashed zombie, but rather a logical, freethinking individual who can finally enjoy his life without perpetual fear of punishment.
No, I do not need prayer. Prayer is for the mindless and the weak who believe a higher power will come to their aid. Well, I believed that once, as I prayed for God to save me from individuals like yourself. No help ever came. Behold! My own arm has saved me.
And, no I do not pray.
Any further questions?
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| | From steam
Tuesday, December 28, 2004, 16:54
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If you came on this site sincerely wishing to mend fences, then you may want to "check your heart" about whether you have been offended by some reactions to you, and are now posting comments you know full well will be badly received just to get at people. Why would you ask things like "Do you pray?" How can that possibly bear "good fruit" when you know how offensive it is to many here. Would you be offended if someone ended their post with "do you eat shit?" I can assure you many will have an equally negative reaction. If you do "check your heart" I believe that you will realize that you were well aware that it would be offensive, but wanted to offend while still trying to wrap your comment in a cloak of righteousness, being able to go away and salve your conscience. If you can really consider what I wrote and honestly write back "it isn't true" please do so.(reply to this comment) |
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