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Getting Support : Speaking Out
How Many More People Need To Die Or Be Victimized Before Something Is Done? | from The Archer - Saturday, October 27, 2007
accessed 1966 times How many more people need to die or appear on mainstream news in tears about their victimization before The Family Leadership realizes; they are travelling along an ungodly and demonic path of perdition? Deborah Berg appeared on television about her abuse, she stated that she respected her father and loved him but the sexual molestation caused her grief and lifelong pain. Mene Berg like many sexual assault victims ended up becoming a prostitute and using illicit drugs, when you get sexually assaulted it destroys your self worth, so often you become a drug addict to numb the pain. Mene worked as a prostitute to fund her drug habit because without the drugs the pain wouldnt be numbed. Mene lays in tears somewhere taking illicit drugs to hide the terrible memories of abuse, while Mama Maria writes pride filled letters saying that she is a crazy little girl who tell's lies, Mama Maria just walks past Mene's pain and directs pride filled comments toward her and calls her a liar. Mama Maria is just like that Levite who walked past the hurting man on the ground in the good samaritan parable, Mama Maria doesn't give a damn about this poor hurting girl, and its the Good Samaritan real Christians who have to look after people like Mene.
Mama Maria says Mene is a liar who is full of false stories, Mama Maria is a circulating false reports about Mene to try and cover herself and she is an unrighteousness witness, "You shall not circulate a false report. Do not put your hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness."(Exodus 23:1). Mama Maria is an unrighteous witness who deliberately circulates false reports, she said in her letters that Mene was a liar and its all in her imagination and she never got sexually and physically abused. Davida, Mene, Deborah, Ricky all confirmed Mene's claims that they too were seriously traumitized and from the sexual abuse. The evidence clearly shows that Mama Maria is the one who is the liar, Mama Maria's own children of the flesh confirm she's a liar. How many more of your children need to kill themselves and appear on international television for Mama Maria to admit she is wrong and involved in absolute wickedness?
While Maria's walking around like a pride filled Pharisee telling everyone how great and elite she is, the real Christians are picking up the mess of these abused children who now have to take drugs to numb their pain, and need to work as prostitutes to fund their habits. I've been involved with helping young people who work as prostitutes for sometime now, and most of them have experienced child sexual abuse. I've realized when you get sexually abused as a child its terrifying to face those memories, and drugs block out those memories. Mene is a serious victim of horrible abuse, abd that coward Peter Amsterdam needs to take responsibility for what happened to Mene, he was there and he needs to be accountable. Peter needs to hand himself into the authorities and tell them what he did, if he goes to jail then he has laid his life down for the brethren. Peter and Maria talk about how elite they are, they like talking the talk but they do not walk the walk. Peter and Maria will pay for abusing that poor girl, "For the LORD is a God of retribution; he will repay in full." (Jeremiah 51:56)
You say you made mistakes in the past, that just isnt good enough, justice, mercy and retribution need to be done. It's justice that Peter and Maria take responsibility for their actions, Peter and Maria praise God all the time and write a lot of fancy prophecies but they neglect the justice of the abused. "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone."(Matthew 23:23). The justice and mercy of Mene Berg has been left undone, justice needs to be done and should be done, if the leaders of The Family do not take responsibilty and allow justice to be done, God will make sure justice is done one way or the other.
I do not believe God is with Maria, maybe one day he was when she was an innocent and blameless woman, but now she is to blame for all that has happened in The Family. It's her fault Ricky killed himself, its her fault Mene is a prostitute and takes drugs, and its her fault for the pain of countless victims of abuse who have no justice. Is this elite Christianity she claims to lead? Is this the fruit of Jesus Christ? Ricky commiting a murder/suicide, Mene becoming a drug addict who appears on TV and says she was horribly abused doesnt seem like good fruit to me, "“For a good tree does not bear bad fruit , nor does a bad tree bear good fruit ."(Luke 6:43). Good tree's do not bear bad fruit, and the fruit Maria is bearing is absolutely horrendous, "And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."(Matthew 3:10). The Family is going to be cut down and its fall is going to be great, its already corroding and falling apart as a write this. Young people are leaving the organization in droves and the organization has absolutely no credability, its fruit resembles nothing of what Jesus Christ represented.
Jesus came to: heal people, do miracles and comfort people with his words, he didnt go around touching up little children and having sex with everyone in his household. Mama Maria, you know you lied about Mene, you lied through your teeth to the whole Family in your letters about her, "all liar s shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."(Revelation 21:8)
You are a liar! You need to repent and you and Peter need to hand yourself into the authorities for abusing Mene, "the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep." (John 10:11). You always claim how elite you are, then take responsibilty for your wicked deeds! Lay your life down to the authorities for the poor sheep Mene! You like to talk the talk about how elite you are Mama, but you don't walk the walk. Since leaving The Family I've met Christians from China and Africa who have gone to jail for their faith, do you want to know what the Chinese Christians think about The Family Leaders? They think your a bunch of cowardly people who don't know the first thing about walking in the steps of Christ, they know how you hide in your little burrows like cowards and refuse to take responsibility for your actions. The Chinese and African Christians would go to jail and lay down their life for their sheep, because they are mature Christians who follow the statutes of the Bible 100%. They are dedicated to God and they would go to jail and face their responsibilities and put their wicked deeds in the light, for the sake of their sheep and the sake of the gospel, but you on the other hand are too cowardly to bring your deeds into the light. "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light , lest his deeds should be exposed."(John 3:20).
Come into the light and be real followers of Christ Maria and Peter. You are both plastic Christians who like to talk and boast a lot, but beneath your plastic masks you are full of hypocrisy and deciet.
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Weeder
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:01
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Whatever happened to Techi? Is she still in the Family? If she is, I wonder what the hell is she thinking.
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| | | | | | |  From afflick
Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 07:38
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I submit that Ricky wasn't her "quasi-brother" at all but in essence and fact her true brother, her only sibling. They were raised together, many times sharing a room, in near total isolation. They were refered to as brother and sister by their caregivers and within the scope of the comix written about their lives as children.
When I think of Techi, I imagine her as someone trapped, both in her mind and perhaps even physically. Someone with a pre-teen son who has never received the education or life experience to raise him outside of her mother's compound. I think she is lost, scared, sad and pragmatic.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From figaro
Thursday, November 01, 2007, 10:57
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I find it amazing that she states that she was never abused. umm... Did any one else read the Techi series??? Personally, that was used as a guide for how to take care of MY little "problems" (Demons inside me, letting evil in, being a tool for the devil, you know, the standard shit) and I was made to memorize it, That and the Mene series.
How can someone whose abuse and humiliation was so publicized go on to say that they were never abused. But I guess there are none so blind as those who refuse to see!(reply to this comment) |
| | From The Archer
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 20:59
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I hadn't read Techi's comment from myconclusion.org, thanks for posting that.
We are indoctrinated to believe the madness, but some are able to come to terms with reality and see the cult for what it is. Mene, Deborah, Ricky and Davida were set free from the lies, but unfortunately Techi is still trapped in their web of deciet. For me it took some years and outside influence to make me realize I was living a lie, and the excuses for all the abuse and problems in the group just kept getting more ridiculous. Well... what can I say, Im just glad to be out.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from must see
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 05:38
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Alan watt video 'Reality Check'
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/videos_Alan_Watt.html
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| from Baxter
Monday, October 29, 2007 - 17:18
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Okey, I've just read Archer's profile. I'm guessing that he's just left TF quite recently, so I suppose I should be more lenient with his scripture-infused prose. I guess i should have spotted that from the outset. I apologise for being so judgemental, especially towards 'one of our own', so to speak. Perhaps I assumed that (like certain others who have found their way onto this site in recent times) he was another bible-belting outsider who imagined he held the key to solving everyone's problems. Archer, I apologise for my original comments' tone.
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| | | | from cheeks
Monday, October 29, 2007 - 13:51
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Call her Zerby it's less cultie.
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| from Baxter
Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:15
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Someone needs to revise the disclaimer to ensure that newcomers understand this is not a forum for religious mania. I mean, why the the heck are we being bombarded by religious zealots all of a sudden? I've got no problem discussing other people's religious perspectives, but it gets a bit aggrevating when people start treating this site like a damn sunday fellowship. Quoting scripture like sacrement is not only meaningless to (correct me if I'm wrong here) the vast majority of users, it's more than a little bit annoying.
If anyone thinks I'm overreacting, perhaps they could allude to the part of this article that says anything of substance that we haven't heard or said a million times before? Other than the re-visitation of heavily saturated issues (yes, we are all aware of TFs legacy of abuse and usury!), it is nothing more than a vehicle for a religious sermon, and we've had more than one too many of those recently!!
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| | | | From Digen Verma
Monday, October 29, 2007, 18:32
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Or maybe you're just a religious douchebag. What kind of condescending bullshit is this?
"In a way I think this is good because it brings the issue down to their level."
I just know your one of those British assholes who "dislikes America" and always introduces themselves as "English" at parties, although they've spent most of their lives in the US. Like I said, douchebag.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From roughneck
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 01:31
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Hahahaha!
You must have never read anything else that Nick has posted on this site, else you'd know that he's probably the most pro-America Briton possibly imaginable, aside from Tony Blair perhaps. If the chicks happen to dig Nick's British-ness at parties, so much the better for him. You sound a little bitter about the Brit-blokes though, perhaps it would be time for you to affect an accent* if you're having no luck scoring with the gents/ladies/farm animals. Frankly, though, I don't think the sheep will care either way.
*In lieu of a personality, that is.
That being said, it's terribly hard not to be "condescending" toward people who believe wholeheartedly and unshakeably in what is essentially magic. (If this definition includes you, well, tough shit. I feel no shame at being "condescending" toward you as well.) I mean, if someone believed in, say, Harry Potter in the same literal way that Christians believe in the Bible, wouldn't you be hard pressed not to snicker and giggle a little?
/not religious
//maybe a douchebag (figuratively anyway)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Miranda Rights
Monday, October 29, 2007, 19:22
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You have the right to remain silent!
If you think Nick is religious, or a douchebag, you obviously have no clue about anything. That being said, I would recommend that you exercise that right. Why? Because anything you say can and will be used against you. Especially on a slow day when we have nothing better to do that entertain ourselves at your expense. A number of times I have heard Nick refer to himself as a "Brit", and I doubt that he dislikes America, as if he did he would not have made it his residence. Away with you!(reply to this comment) |
| | From Tumbs UP!
Monday, October 29, 2007, 20:36
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I think you need to "grow up to the challenge!"
Nick may not be religious, but his comments are consistently condescending, and as such have raised my ire.
As for the whole "Brit" thing, Ive met one to many people who live off the US while pretending to be "above" it in some way, and Brits are some of the worst offenders. Aussies being the worst.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From neez
Thursday, November 01, 2007, 20:14
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Yeah I thought it was some sort of april fools joke, or poilitical gimmick. But no, unfortunately it's not.
Here's a good run down of this cult: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/01/1151174401719.html?from=top5
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20469486-2,00.html
They allegedly gave financial support to the bush campaign, and were involved in New Zealands recent election too. Keep in mind that they don't vote, and have only started getting involved with poilitics because "Satan has infiltrated democracy".
Here is a different, more PM worthy response to this whack-job cults request for a meeting: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/22/2012097.htm
Vote Rudd!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Digen Verma
Saturday, November 03, 2007, 09:06
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Hahaaahaaaa!!! You celebrate 9/11, huh? What an original idea!!! No, wait; if I recall, the all around coolest contributor to this site posted an article which had that exact title, so I guess that just makes you a wannabe. Which is fine, as wannabe behaviour basically exemplifies your pathetic country's history.
And Digen Verma is an Indian not American name, dipshit.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Big Kev
Saturday, November 03, 2007, 17:17
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Although, i don't allways have to time to read every article on this site, so forgive me if by chance I happen to share the same sentiments as some other American hater. Ha, You obviously don't have anything better to do with yourself. So now not only are you a goat defiler, your a wimpy redneck, mamas boy. Peace out, niggers 4 life, fag boy.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Digen Verma
Saturday, November 03, 2007, 19:24
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Awesome! After consistent goading I've managed to unveil the true nature of "the fascist Australian". I realise many Australian's are perfectly nice people, albeit sometimes too loud, but when you get an annoying one, they are extremely annoying.
Not only is the above comment loaded with bizarre racial and social slurs, it is also nigh unintelligible. And whats with the random coma use? That comment portrays the attributes of the "odious aussie" far better than anything I could write.
Sure there are a great many obnoxious Americans, but I would argue they aren't quite as bad. On this site, Samuel is a perfect example. His articles and comments are often stunningly moronic, but they are not racist or discriminatory. He can also be reasoned with, to some small degree, unlike the Aussie Nazi above.(reply to this comment) |
| | From neez
Monday, November 05, 2007, 21:31
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When you say 'aussies are racist and discriminatory'. Do you not realise that nearly everything you've said here has been filled with "racial and social slurs"?
But anyhow, water off a platypus' back mate. You need to work on your goading skills...really
An American calling aussies loud, annoying, and obnoxious? now I've heard eveything. And let me get this straight...You think we should be more like Samuel? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From figaro
Saturday, November 03, 2007, 12:40
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That really is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, The pouch has a purpose, and Millions of animals (if not billions) have it, so yes, I would consider that normal. Its really not that much different then human women having a uterus in which embryos grow into babies, theirs is just on the outside. Or if you prefer, its like carrying the egg with you until the baby is ready to emerg, but the egg doesn't break.
And BTW, Its spelled "behavior"! And having a pouch isn't "behavior", its a physical attribute, Idiot! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From neez
Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 05:08
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Fosters is a bit of an inside joke really. We don't drink it, but if people like you keep buying it we keep exporting it. And it's still better than that bloody Czech beer(Bud) you yanks export.
What's the difference between drinking an American beer and having sex in a canoe?
Nothing. Both are fucking close to water.
As for our bush licking PM, well..I didn't vote for him. Never heard about the ear-wax incident, but he does look like a cuetip.
As for our fuked up animals, I'd agree with you(you're just jealous and you know it with your cows and mini crocs)but meh. I've seen plenty of yanks with large pouches of skin.
And did Japan really invade again? I'm sure I would've seen something on telly.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 04:41
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So I'm guessing you're one of those happy yanks who reckons that disagreement or dissent constitutes betrayal and/or rebellion. Do you go around telling people who don't like Bush to go live in France?
Of course, the accusation is true for some: There ARE (truly) more than enough snooty Limeys in the world who go around imagining themselves to be above the rest of humanity. I deal with them on a regular basis. (My passport may be British, BUT I WAS OVER THE MOON WHEN THE SPRINGBOKS KICKED ENGLAND'S ARSE IN THE WORLD CUP!!!!) On the other hand, if you live outside the US, you often Americans who act precisely the same to the rest of the world: I had a run-in with one the other day! She and her poncy middle-English boyfriend got my blood to the boil in record time (just so you know, I have never lived in, or off the US).
And I beg to differ: THE IRISH ARE THE WORST!!!! Check out the almighty iijit Bono next time he makes a TV appeal for babies in Africa or some other wee shite!! AND I've had enough of arguing with peace-nik Irish hippies about how big and evil corporate America is. I'll say this once: IT'S INCREDIBLY EASY TO ASSUME THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WHEN YOUR COUNTRY HAS NO GRAVITY IN ANY SPHERE WHATSOEVER!!!!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Bono wins award
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 07:07
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Nelson Mandela has a few ideas on what might help the people of Africa . He says, "our peoples dream of an African Renaissance, as a consequence of which we will overcome a devastating past and ensure that ours also becomes a continent of democracy and peace, respect for human rights, development, prosperity and the restoration of the dignity of all Africans."
Apparently someone named Bono, who spends most of his time riding around in giant rubber duckies with someone named The Edge, wearing $1,800 sunglasses everywhere he goes, thinks the solution to African poverty is music. And not just any music, but his own brand of hypocritical and insipid pop music. Together with contemporary, Bob Geldof (who, on a daily basis, snorts up enough money to feed the entire Sudan), two incredibly rich assholes organized a group of white rock bands to play a series of massively expensive concerts in London to raise "awareness" of the problems in Africa. If that isn't bad enough, it seems to have worked: what does it say about our world when someone with only one name addresses the UN, is named one of Time Magazine's Men of the Year, is given awards by Portugal, and has the ear of the Pope? Actually, that makes more sense now that I think about it. Still, what does it take to make them realize that this choad is doing nothing but capitalizing on the plight of real people in order to sell records?
Maybe extremely wealthy rock stars have a place giving joint speeches with George W. Bush, and maybe Africa can be helped by patronizing white people, but let those people at least have a first and last name."
-2005 Asshole of the Year Awards
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/12/21/72814/635(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 09:45
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It fucking killed me when Those fucking monkeys decided to stick all the actual african artists in some little tiny gig in Cornwall, while all the White and Western Artist headlined in London; When someone asked them what the fuck good was a concert for Africa with no African artists, the morons cited all the Black American and Black British Artists they had accumulated, which shows just what total morons they are. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Samuel
Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 13:52
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The Bold and the Beautiful keeps elderly American women entertained. For some of them, this is the only life they have.
Fox News delivers news with a conservative tone, and is in my opinion better than CNN. Though I do kind of like Glen Beck's show on that channel.
Hannity and Colmes is lively, but civilized debate.
And Jerry Springer? Well, that's classic entertainment. And fake. My senior year, one of my friends had her birthday early in the year so she was already 18. The Jerry Springer Show actually invited her to come on the show and fight with another woman over a guy, both of which she had never seen before of course. They were going to give her a limo ride to and from the airport, put her in a four star hotel, a few thousand dollars, all that junk. She turned it down. Smart girl!
Jenny Jones was a heck of a lot better, but they cut her show.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Boss Lady
Monday, October 29, 2007, 09:02
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When someone is brand new to this world, from leaving the cult, they view the world with new eyes. These eyes come from their perspective. We all experienced the process of separation from our childhood perspective. Our siblings and counterparts who remain in the cult are being told that we are the enemy. The issue with ex-members and current members is that leadership is keeping us separated. To use language they can understand it not wrong. Christian doctrine is simply a philosophy. Nothing wrong with using perspective that makes sense to them. Many of our brothers who are still in the cult, believe they are doing the will of god which is an important aspect of their lifestyle. I think this type of dialog can bridge the gaps between our views.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from Lithium
Monday, October 29, 2007 - 00:32
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LOL! If this isn't James Massa, then he's got a twin somewhere! The two should hook up for some fellowship.
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