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from fragiletiger Monday, August 27, 2007 - 13:35 (Agree/Disagree?) For someone who was never going to come here again, you spend alot of time posting. So basically your saying that a guy you threw over your you husband for has left you, and instead of just taking it like a good little heshe, you've concocted a conspiracy morphing deranged ex-hippys into some sort of Mafia-CIA-order of the priory super bad guys. Stop watching Alias, and get some therapy, for your whole need for drama issues. (reply to this comment)

from clark Monday, August 27, 2007 - 13:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Luce, I think if you just cleared a few things up, it would help. I gather you are not in TF. Were you ever? When? What was your "family" name if any. Were you married to him? When you say you left your "good" life for him does that mean you joined TF for him? or were you already in. Are you from India? Where do you live? Are you in contact with his other wife and children? Are they still in TF? When you say TF denies knowing him does that mean EVER or just knowing where he is now. Does his wife deny knowing his whereabouts? Is he from India? Is she? When was the last time you saw/spoke to him? This is all way to vauge to make any progress with. I don't think TF is interested in attracting anymore negative attention then they already do and I doubt they would hold him against his will. Even if you think he feels the same way about you that you do him, TF has a way of convincing you to "wrap it up in a bundle of faith" and forsake it. Is it possible he does not want to contact you? Maybe lay aside your emotions and better explain the situation. I know people here will help if they can, but you have to help us help you. (reply to this comment)

from mia1 Monday, August 27, 2007 - 08:53 (Agree/Disagree?) uh, is it just me or does this sound like Nigerian spam mail??? (reply to this comment)

From AndyH Monday, August 27, 2007, 10:19 (Agree/Disagree?) HA! Yes, that's exactly what it sounds like. I couldn't put my finger on it. (reply to this comment)

from thatata Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:58 (Agree/Disagree?) I know, your'e probally not an ex - member, but your accusatory tone, and "hysterics" (u may have a right to these hysterics of course), puts people off! You sound so fucking authoritarian, you got a problem with people ranting? Posting on MovingOn is not joing the army! We don't have to do anything! No one tells us what to read or what not to read, we do as individuals do, we don't have to subscribe to a set of rules. We do as we want to do! Fuck you! Im saying this to get it off my chest, I know u may have some truths to what u say, and say them you should. But whats with all the stupid accusations! Cut the accusatory crap out! Talk plainly! Your sound almost like a nightmare of an "auntie"! (reply to this comment)

from rainy Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 02:36 (Agree/Disagree?) Luce, could you just calm down long enough to tell us the full story? (reply to this comment)

From LUCE Monday, August 27, 2007, 00:17 (Agree/Disagree?) I spent a sleepless night before writing this. I'vebeen fighting The Family for over a year and I don' regret starting this.BUT I regret ever having come here and am not going to bother you again. I've been judged,insulted,accused of wanting to discredit the holy Family.Somebody even laughed at me. Well,let me tell you this in all conscience and calmly, If I do what I'm doing it is because I love Robert more than my life have been loving him for years. Here i had a family,a secure life,was respected in my community.I gave all this up to go to India,to him.Maybe for you it's not much but it was my life. Robert is not a saint:whoever is?But for me he's the kindest,sweetest,most generous of men,to be admired for his altruism and dedication.He has many shortcomings but who hasn't? I know that he would have never stopped writing of his own will,especially after my only brother's death.We have a deep bond,we are part of each other's ives. I've been concerned for him for months and for good reason.If somebody doesn't like it sorry,these are the facts. I am no lawyer or God knows what:I am just a woman who fights for the man she loves how she can,totally alone. Mo one of you stopped for a single moment to think that MAYBE I have feelings. Being attacked and being so cruelly treated by Skeptic angered me but most of all hurt me. I'm sorry if you don't understand ,really am. I won't stay here to be judged and treated like dirt,to be snubbed by people who don't know me and who don't have a heart. I'll go on by myself,thanks. (reply to this comment)

From AndyH Monday, August 27, 2007, 08:35 (Agree/Disagree?) You aren't going to get any sympathy from the people you just got done brow-beating, so save the sob story. I think you're just some wacko who's seen to many movies. (reply to this comment)

From i hate to say it but maybe .... Monday, August 27, 2007, 05:50 (Agree/Disagree?) he joined W.S and is hidding ...? there are a lot of reasons he could have dissappeard....(reply to this comment)

From rainy Monday, August 27, 2007, 01:24 (Agree/Disagree?) I know that as an outsider you can only imagine he's been kidnapped if he stopped writing, and maybe that is the case. I'm sure you have details and a compelling case that you're too upset to write here. But the most likely possibility to my mind, from the small amount of information I have, is that he was 'convicted' by the Lord and the Word to forsake you because you pull at his heart strings, and to rebuke the doubts of the enemy, and his tricks, tugging at his emotions, tempting him with the devil's wiles. (that would be you) If you're trying to get someone out of The Family, don't be at all surprised if they go quiet and just stop communicating and move without telling you. They're being yielded to The Lord. Of course, I suppose you could say his mind and personality has been kidnapped. Luce, I'm sorry for whoever offended you. We're actually not bad people. We do want freedom from the cult for everyone. It's just that all of us love our freedom of speech so much we're completely honest on this site. You won't find any cotton wool around here. It's good though. Everyone has good intentions. Well, most of us do. So, toughen up a little, be as straight with us as we are with you, and I'm sure you'll find it's okay here.(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 06:37 (Agree/Disagree?) Dear Rainy, I AM going to tell the whole story but when somebody very dera to you is missing is very hard to calm down,especially when you people like SKEPTIC make me angrier than I am.For everybody?s knowledge:FBI,Interpol plus Don lattin already know the full details.(reply to this comment)

from to Luce Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 16:00 (Agree/Disagree?) ...other people here have missing family as well... ....have you found anything useful info in your search? (reply to this comment)

From afflick Saturday, August 25, 2007, 16:46 (Agree/Disagree?) It might be helpful when posting legal names to also include any known aliases.(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Saturday, August 25, 2007, 23:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Dear Afflick, I did what you suggest first thing. I involved FBI,interpol,Don Lattin ,indian police and now will involve indian press. Robert must be found because his wellbeing is in danger and it's high time someone gave those bastards what they deserve.I fromally ask any member of Moving On to spread this story as much as they can. The Family cannot go scot free with this!Luce(reply to this comment)

From murasaki Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 21:34 (Agree/Disagree?) You do realize that this site is frequented by ex-members of the family, most of which have no close current contact with present goings on in the group? We were also born into the family, and left when we could, therfore aren't responsible for their past or current actions. The "story" you are describing as been heard all too often amongst us. People seem to go "missing" in the Family all the time, usually with some kind of consent, and while there is plenty of emotional and psychological stress, I've never heard of any cases where anyone was in physical danger, at least not recently. I just don't really understand what it is you want us to do or how we can help you. (reply to this comment)

From Skeptic ex-SGA Sunday, August 26, 2007, 00:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Care to substantiate your claim? > Allegation. Mr. Robert Wylie Harris A.k.a. Marc Ozias has been a member of The Family since Nov.1.1969. It is assumed that Mr. Harris is currently still a member of The Family, and his whereabouts have been known until July 10th (2007?). Allegedly, Mr. Harris -Who would have to be nearing 40, minimum- had desired to leave The Family prior to his "mysterious dissappearance". It is assumed by some unnamed persons -for reasons unknown or otherwise undisclosed- that Mr. Harris' wellbeing is in danger. Can you substantiate the allegation that Mr. Harris was or is indeed an existing member of The Family? Can you substantiate the allegation that Mr. Harris indeed, wishes to leave the fellowship of The Family? Can you substantiate the allegation that Mr. Harris is indeed a missing person? Can you substantiate the allegation that Mr. Harris is in serious danger. If you haven't the foggiest idea of where he may be, what makes you think/assume/allege that he is in danger? Has a missing person claim been lodged with local authorities? Does local law consider foulplay to be involved in this "mysterious dissappearance"? Who are "those who care about him"? On what basis are you certain that this middleaged Mr. Harris isn't living in a "field home" in Timbuktu with a 17 year old pregnant "national" wife under the name Methuselah Orion Hyderabad or somesuch? How do you rule out the possibility that Mr. Harris chooses not to contact "those who care about him" because he simply does not care about them? I'm no cult sympathizer or apologist, but from what I know, TF as it exists today would not be holding a full-grown legally adult member against his/her will. Most cases where a person has gone "missing" or whisked away to some unknown location have been in the case of minors, or consenting adult members who choose to live in "selah" homes. I don't deny that TF tends to make things difficult for members who wish to leave. Just how difficult can you make it for a male over 35, most possibly caucasian, and most likely with a British, American, Australian, New Zealand, or Canadian passport?(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 06:51 (Agree/Disagree?) For SKeptic and the ones like him: This situation IS dramatic. No one writes to FBI and Interpol without a serious reason;no one moves heaven and hell just for creating havoc,out of boredom. I've been in this story for more than a year now and I don't allow members of The Family in disguise to treat me like overdramatic or exagerate. OK,facts. Five years ago Mr Harris already escaped The family and went to USA,determined not to come back.He had to,because The Family was balckmailing him thorugh his two kids who lived in Calcutta. What happende when he came back:his wife separated from him;his children were taken away from him for 6 months (one was 9 the other just 2.Do you know what that means for a father,Skeptic? i don't think so! The Family made heavy pressures on him because they wanted him to sign legal papers giving up any parnetal right. he refused. Then he was allowed to see them EVERY 4 MONTHS,but had to leave Calcutta and go to Hyderabad first then to Bombay (other side of India).To visit he had to ask written pernission;if granted he could spend 7 days in Calcutta,seeing his kids for 3 HOURS a day,NEVER ALONE. Is that enough? I was with him in India from nov.21 2005 to Jan 2006,24 hours a day,like a sort of wife.I witnessed phone calls,saw the mails. An what was worst i could do nothing but be there,powerless. DON't YOU DARE diminishing me when you don't know how it is. I was there,seeing him suffering,listening to him,where were you?! I don't give a shit if I seem overdramatic.Live something like that and THEN,only then,talk! (reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, August 26, 2007, 09:27 (Agree/Disagree?) First of all, if your intention is to gain support and help for your cause, then I would suggest that attacking anyone who disagrees with you is not a clever strategy. Ok, let me try and piece together the story from the various pieces of information you've dropped into your emotive ramblings. Robert Wylie Harris (Marc Ozias) was a member of TF for some duration of time, during which he married and had two children. Five years ago he decided to leave TF in Calcutta, returning to the USA, leaving behind his wife and two children. He continued to see his two children occasionally - and never in private - over the following years, as his wife and TF pressured him to give his wife full custody of his children. This continued until about one month ago, since when he has apparently not been heard from - by as yet undisclosed individuals. His last known location has as yet also not been discussed - and I struggle to determine whether he was a member of TF at that time or not, in your original article you said he 'wanted' to leave TF, however in this post you say he left five years ago - did he perhaps rejoin? Apart from all that it just seems that Interpol, the FBI and some guy named Don Lattin have been notified of his absence, although they have apparently not been able to achieve anything so far for some reason or another. Have I missed anything out? Is there any other information you have that would be useful to anyone wanting to help?(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 09:53 (Agree/Disagree?) First of all pardon me if I seem angry.Most of all I am very very concerned.You know this thing happened right after my only brother's sudden death and you can imagine my state. If my information to you all are confused or sketchy is because I'm trying to be short.I assure that the other people I wrote to have all the details in order.I woudn't make such a fuss if I wasn't convinced of what I'm saying. Unfotunately many things were told me by Robert in person when we were out of family ears. Others I witnessed when I was with him. About his wanting to leave The Family he told me that many times and was so naive to write it too. After that his mails changed and soon i realized they were supervised or dictated. The Family denis his very existence but until the end he claimed he was one fo them . At this point I storngly doubt of his mental condition at the time because he was telling me all and all's contrary the next day. He stopped writing my husband too and this is strange since they were on very friendly terms despite everything and axchanged weekly mails. He wrote to Public Affairs and was told Marc Ozias (this his name in the sect) never was one of them. Fact is that he repeatedly and proudly told me htat he joined on Nov.1 1969 and was an intimate friend of Aaron Berg. He has been in India,Albania,England,Greece,Italy,Holland,Egypt and so on for The Family in all these years. As for Don Lattin he will come back next week from vacation and will take care of the case.He mailed me two days ago. I just sent a picture to Interpol and tomorrow have an appointment with an italian organization which might do something,I hope. They are expert in cases like this one. I am sorry for having given a bad impression of myself,but this really tears at my heart unbelievably.L(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, August 26, 2007, 11:45 (Agree/Disagree?) Are there perhaps two people posting under this profile, because in your article posted on March 19, 2006 you name yourself as Giuseppe Merico Odette Janaway, and say that Robert Wylie Harris is the long-time love of your wife, and the cause of the break-down of your marriage. Your profile, however, lists you as female, and you alternate between the use of 'husband' and 'wife' when speaking about what I can only assume to be your significant other. Your terminology and descriptions of the cult suggest someone who has not been in TF. So perhaps it would be beneficial to clearly specify just who you are and what your relationship to TF is.(reply to this comment)

From Kelly Monday, August 27, 2007, 23:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Luce, It does seem like there are 2 people posting under one profile-- which, understandably tends to make people doubt the credibility of your story. From my understanding you have never been in the family and that alone makes it harder for you to understand the whole “family” mentality. Pretty much, “family” (blood relatives etc) means shit to them .....closeness with family members who are not in the family is strongly discouraged and family leadership has no qualms regarding separating mothers from their children (for example) if it will benefit them somehow. Their whole idea of “family” means the group itself --not personal family....so there is a chance that this person you are looking for simply does not want to be found..... I don’t know if your story is true or not but, I do know what it is like to miss someone....I have a brother who has been missing for many years...I understand the anger and frustration....it’s hard to really grieve over (the death of someone) when it hasn’t even been proven (in fact, I was never given any reasonable answers as to why they would assume he was). I will never stop looking for my brother and there was a time when I put a lot of effort into that, without getting any solid answers—finally, I had to stop for awhile because I realized that my health and overall well being was in jeopardy...nevertheless this is something I will always peruse (until I am given a reasonable answer) however, balance is necessary and I realized that if I continued going on the way I was going, I would end up killing myself from stress alone-- I figured, I won’t be of any use to anyone (much less my self) dead---so I had to just let it be for awhile.....all that to say if your story is true, I sincerely wish you the best and I hope you find whom ever you are looking for....just remember to take care of yourself...but, if your story is not true, well then......read thatata’s comment--because I concur. (reply to this comment)

From exfamily Monday, August 27, 2007, 02:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Agreed, "LUCE" doesn't quite seem to have an up-to-date understanding or knowledge of TF, if any at all.(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 06:51 (Agree/Disagree?) For SKeptic and the ones like him: This situation IS dramatic. No one writes to FBI and Interpol without a serious reason;no one moves heaven and hell just for creating havoc,out of boredom. I've been in this story for more than a year now and I don't allow members of The Family in disguise to treat me like overdramatic or exagerate. OK,facts. Five years ago Mr Harris already escaped The family and went to USA,determined not to come back.He had to,because The Family was balckmailing him thorugh his two kids who lived in Calcutta. What happende when he came back:his wife separated from him;his children were taken away from him for 6 months (one was 9 the other just 2.Do you know what that means for a father,Skeptic? i don't think so! The Family made heavy pressures on him because they wanted him to sign legal papers giving up any parnetal right. he refused. Then he was allowed to see them EVERY 4 MONTHS,but had to leave Calcutta and go to Hyderabad first then to Bombay (other side of India).To visit he had to ask written pernission;if granted he could spend 7 days in Calcutta,seeing his kids for 3 HOURS a day,NEVER ALONE. Is that enough? I was with him in India from nov.21 2005 to Jan 2006,24 hours a day,like a sort of wife.I witnessed phone calls,saw the mails. An what was worst i could do nothing but be there,powerless. DON't YOU DARE diminishing me when you don't know how it is. I was there,seeing him suffering,listening to him,where were you?! I don't give a shit if I seem overdramatic.Live something like that and THEN,only then,talk! (reply to this comment)

From i am confused.... Monday, August 27, 2007, 02:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Were you an ex-member then too?....other people here have family missing too--and if it were here in America it would be a different story.... i wonder how common this is becoming? if what you say is true then that is Horrible--people should respect others – especially when others are suffering-- but, I have to admit your story did sound a bit strange or unusual being that he joined the cult by choice originally ( from what I understand) among other things..... I do understand how you would feel utter frustrating in not being able to do anything or get any answers. Now!—but, try to relax a bit or you will drain yourself right out of looking...at least for a while...rest take a break---chill out--cause I can see how frustrated you must be... (reply to this comment)

From rainy Monday, August 27, 2007, 02:23 (Agree/Disagree?) We've all lived something like that hun.(reply to this comment)

From Specifics-please! Sunday, August 26, 2007, 09:01 (Agree/Disagree?) No need to attack skeptic, he is on your side and it is in your best interests to listen to his advice. Most people here are willing to help you if you could just calm your accusatorial tone down enough to coherently give substantial and evidential information about the situation. It is not skeptics "fault" that he doesn't know about this and hasn't lived through what you seem to have lived through. It is your fault if you fail to win any sympathy for your cause by attacking people who, for the most part, do not know you or the person in question, and who owe no obligations to you or this man. (reply to this comment)

From question Saturday, August 25, 2007, 17:54 (Agree/Disagree?) i thought that was against the m o policy...(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Saturday, August 25, 2007, 23:39 (Agree/Disagree?) Man you would be surprised if I told you what I came to know when I was in India! Problem is no one listens and people disappear.But I won't keep quiet!They have to kill me first.(reply to this comment)

From cheeks Thursday, August 30, 2007, 04:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh for God sake. I just read the whole ramblings of this Luce person and this takes the cake. He obviously does not love you or want you any more. If he is in the Family again, he is obviously hiding from you and well he should be. Leave the poor bastard alone and get a damn life.(reply to this comment)

From figaro Sunday, August 26, 2007, 00:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Had I the ability I would join you. But I don't know of any way to fight them. If I did, and I had the resources, I certainly wood!(reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 01:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Spread word,speak.This is the best and only way with them. You'll find people like Skeptic (who doesn't know a damn thing and spouts off)but if you go on they will listen to you.The thing they HATE is bad publicity.L(reply to this comment)

From "While-you-talk" Sunday, August 26, 2007, 09:19 (Agree/Disagree?) Ironic? (reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 01:04 (Agree/Disagree?) SPREAD WORD;SPREAD WORD;SPREAD WORD.This is the way to fight them.(reply to this comment)

From (="=;) Yes, I am feeling cranky Sunday, August 26, 2007, 01:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Shouldn't that be, "spread accurate and substantiated information" rather than, "spread wildly emotive and overly dramatized, yet horridly unsubstantiated stories", which by the way appear -so far- to be nothing more than hearsay, nothing less than unfounded assumptions, and nothing short of maliciously libelous yarn? One lead bullet would do more damage than a full regiment armed with waterguns. More fact, less emotion please. Sorry, but I've got a bone to pick with immature amateur conspiracy theorists who cause nothing but detriment to the credibility of ex-members.(reply to this comment)

From scorpion Sunday, August 26, 2007, 04:36 (Agree/Disagree?) i dont find that true. a whole regiment of angry fists would do a hell of alot more damage then one lead bullet. hopefully some people get my point here. (reply to this comment)

From LUCE Sunday, August 26, 2007, 08:02 (Agree/Disagree?) ONE MAKES THE DIFFERENCE! At least I expose myself and don't blab like Skeptic(Ex or still in? Got my doubts!)(reply to this comment)

From (="=;) I find idiocy disturbing. Sunday, August 26, 2007, 05:21 (Agree/Disagree?) I learned early in life that not all people share the same capabilities, as far as comprehension goes. As it seems the majority of human beings are total morons, I'm quite sure "some people" -perhaps special ones with special needs- "get your point". You however, have clearly missed mine entirely.(reply to this comment)

From scorpion Sunday, August 26, 2007, 05:57 (Agree/Disagree?) I see ur point but find it lower then stupid. tell me, whats worse then giving someone/thing a bad reputation? they have earned it. if the person that wrote this dosent have enough evidence or people power to start what she is trying to whats wrong in expressing herself and maybe getting other people that know a little more about the subject to come forward? you see but your to small minded to even think of somthing like that.... if your gonna disagree with me at least have the guts to show me your name (reply to this comment)

From (="=;) dissappointed with scorpion Monday, August 27, 2007, 15:03 (Agree/Disagree?) There's a significant difference between telling a truth -which may consequently give one a bad reputation- and telling unsubstantiated or unverified stories, with the intent to give one a bad reputation. I'm hoping you are capable of understanding this difference, and I'm not just typing away for the sake of exercising my lumbricals. If one is merely expressing emotion or frusteration, they should not express it in a manner -intentional or otherwise- that potentially misleads the reader to interpret it as fact. I never said this person should not post, but that the accusation should be accompanied by pertinent or at the least, relevant information. And, scorpion, I'm not shy to use my own site ID. I have a rather unique style of writing, which normally gives away my identity anyway.(reply to this comment)