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from ManicMoe Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 01:45 (Agree/Disagree?) On another site, I found a link to a complete version (about 56.5 minutes and 27.1MB) of the video in RealMedia format. There is a long explanation and disclaimer and then the link to the video is at the bottom. Thanks to David Rugely for his work in encoding the video and making it available. http://www.ishiver.com/welcomep.html (reply to this comment)

from dave Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 01:36 (Agree/Disagree?) to see the complete video, go www.ishiver.com (reply to this comment)

from SeanSwede Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 01:30 (Agree/Disagree?) Too bad he couldn`t finish the jobb by hunting down Karen Zerby. I would have liked to assist him. Maybe I could hold them down while he gets to work on them. I actually have a little selection of handy tools that I could have brought along. OOh boy the thrill of their shrieks would really give me a kick. Oh yeah we won`t forget to bring the paddels, belts sticks and hangars too. (reply to this comment)

From yase Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 14:27 (Agree/Disagree?) My heart broke when i watched this video. There's been times when i've felt so broken from the abuse in the Family but i'm thankful that at least i have people in my life and parents who genuinely care for me. He must of felt so cheated and lost to end his life that way. I will always see him as a hero.(reply to this comment)

From frmrjoyish Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 04:49 (Agree/Disagree?) You're probably speaking out of anger and frustration but you need to understand that comments like these are what fuel TF's slurs and accusations against us and this site. The few of you who have commented in such a way take credibility from all of us and act as fodder for the cult's lies and accusations. Please everyone, stop adding fuel to the fire. Now is a time to think before we speak and act like the adults we are! We have an opportunity to expose TF for what it is, we need to use it and not squander it by rash and unnecessary comments such as this.(reply to this comment)

From melzar Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 02:09 (Agree/Disagree?) For what it's worth. As much anger and rage as many of us have (and for good reason), I believe that even talking about violent action towards anyone does not portray us in good light. Current family members are using this against us to try and make our statements less valid and to try and prove that we are psychos. I think the less "dirt" on us we can provide them with, the better. Remember, TF is a giant PR machine and their media folks do troll this site to dig up whatever they can in their defense.(reply to this comment)

From Vicky Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 02:19 (Agree/Disagree?) I agree. I do think that now that the shock of what happened has worn off, slightly, it's time for the angry rhetoric to be curbed somewhat. At least in regards to violent actions, which very few of us actually condone. There are more productive ways of fighting this war.(reply to this comment)

From SeanSwede Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 02:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah! The Family is responsible for making us psychos. So they can`t really use anything against us except for them to feel guilty about what they have done to a whole generation-Shame on them!!! (reply to this comment)

From yase Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 14:30 (Agree/Disagree?) i agree. It would be hard for them to sit there and try to make us, the victims, the bad guys. It's kind of like the whole catholic church priest sex scandals(reply to this comment)

From melzar Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 02:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Unfortunately, that's not really how the world, especially TF, works. Sure, they're responsible! It doesn't change the fact that they will continue to blame us and, on the contrary, not feel guilty. They WILL try, have already tried, to use stuff against us. But I agree, "SHAME ON THEM!".(reply to this comment)