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Getting Real : This Site Sucks
You people never really leave | from catholic - Sunday, October 02, 2005
accessed 2826 times You can get the girl out of The Family, but you can't get the Family out of the girl. I have been dating an ex-Family member for awhile now and it is evident, you people can never really make that transition into the "Normal" world. You people may think you can fit into society, but you don't.
I cannot fathom being so weak and mentally inept that I would actually be a member of a cult. The majority of the girls I have met who left the family are strippers or some of the easiest girls to get in bed.
You can get the girl out of the family but you can't get the family out of the girl. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Samuel
Friday, March 10, 2006 - 18:06
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Here's a question no one seems to have thought of. If you're catholic, as you claim in your screenname, what on earth are you doing going to strip joints? Personally, I think you're a fraud.
Unless maybe you prefer it this way so you can confess en-masse:
"Bless me Father, for I have sinned. I looked upon 53 girls with lust. Actually, make that 52- I could swear that blonde girl was wearing a wig- and she gives horrible lap dances. Oh yes, Father, I know it's not right to swear. Should I start over again?"
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| from rocky 1
Friday, March 10, 2006 - 17:45
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To the author Mate i think you will find 99% of female ex members 30 years and under were not in a sense ex members at all, because they had no choice "because they were born into that crap group".I think should stop hanging out at strip clubs its not good for "you" obviously.I used to work at a couple of clubs but never dated any of the girls but all the girls i knew generally were no different in morals or lifestyle needs and wants to most other young girls around ,most part just less options in life . Perhaps a bit of positive assurance might help your friend or maybe you.Stop stressing yourself and everyone else on here this is trivial.If they are consenting adults who gives a flying fuck.And btw i was never in either.
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| from Otter
Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:54
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Ignorant catholics! No wonder they killed so many people throughout history. If they did as much research into cultures as this guy did, then it surely shows they are genocidal maniacs. When can we take the catholics to The Hague for crimes against humanity.
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| from *
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 10:45
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The comments that this guy is making reminds me a lot of how my Ex boyfriend treated me when I told him about my background. The ironic thing was that he had been abused sexually as a child by his father and physical by both his mother and father. He was extremely abusive mentally and did hit me on two occasions. I left him five years ago.
Recently I came into contact with him again. Nothing feels better than the contrast in our lives now. While party hard was a phase in my life, hell definitely nothing more than a junkie. Good riddance to men who think that they can use our past to make us feel damaged. For me the best revenge, other than the restraining order, is living well.
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| | | |  From GoldenMic
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 15:21
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Here's my response; "We find the two sides face to face, one side the victims who perhaps wish to forget but cannot, and on the other all those with strong, often unconscious motives who very sincerely both wish to forget and succeed... In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. Secrecy and silence are the perpetrator's first line of defense. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens. To this end, he marshals an impressive array of arguments, from the most blatant denial to the most sophisticated and elegant rationalization. After every atrocity one can expect to hear the same predictable apologies; it never happened; the victim lies; the victim exaggerates; the victim brought it upon herself; and in any case it is time to forget the past and move on. The more powerful the perpetrator, the greater is his prerogative to name and define reality ... without a supportive social environment, the bystander usually succumbs to the temptation to look the other way..." Trauma and Recovery (J. Herman, 1997, p.8)(reply to this comment) |
| | from Joey
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 03:43
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No, you're right we don't. I will feel different for the rest of my days.
I will live with the regrets of some of my actions forever and the fact that the behaviour was taught to me is of no consolation.
I will allways wonder when the next time will be that I'll be levelled by the news that another of my brothers and sisters has fallen off the edge of the cliff that we all walk along.
I will always be afflicted with perpetual thought
I will always feel a little dirty even after the most loving intercourse
I will always search for my place in the world but never truely find it
The lonliness that comes with never feeling entirely understood will share my bed forever and move me to tears when I'm not ready for it
I will always be to deep in my analysis of ordinary situations
I will always be paranoid that when I spend time with a woman that they think I only want them for sex and so will be so stand offish they think I don't like them
These and many more things will linger as an everpresent reminder of the manner of my upbringing
BUT, I will be one of the strongest, most sensitive, understanding, caring, positive and genuine people you will ever meet my small minded little catholic mate because I carry all that around with me like lead around my neck but still leap like a 5 yr old kid that has been let out in a park for the first time.
I'll smile despite it all and achieve comparitive success to those around me who do not have this lead necklace.
You have been lapped by those who started a long way behind you and seeing by just how far you have been lapped is one of the greatest encouragements I will probably get this week. You fight swords against an opponent without arms but who still beats you.
We have come from behind to win the race even though for some of us being alive one more day is the finish line and a fine achievement. I wonder how you would survive given the same challenge.
We are an army well trained in the art of mental fighting. A side affect our abusers didn't think about.
Mouths of babes now lions jaws and you are a silly boy indeed for taunting such a force.
Every day I conduct myself in a manner I am proud of......
Do you?
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| from vixen
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 02:47
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Hmmmmm. I was suspicious the first time I read this article and rereading it has only reaffirmed that suspicion. I think this person sounds like an ex fam member, personally. Don't feed the trolls, eh!
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| from Dominatrix
Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 23:35
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YOU ASSHOLE!!!
As a SGA ex member, while I was in the family I never had sex...not once... I was not interested...I left when I was a teen still a virgin…no money no life skills no education…
Do you know what it’s like to sleep on a wooden floor without blankets, no food, no family alone in a strange city being a teenager…???????????
Once leaving the family, I started reading up a lot about sex and human sexuality…. To try and understand my cult up bring…
I became interested in BDSM….and became and was a well-respected Pro Dom in my country... I use to make $10.000 a week doing what I did... and I enjoyed it…knowing that it was me making my own choices over my own body and that I was setting myself up for a lifestyle I would never be able to have otherwise. Plus I had a genuine interest BDSM and was very talented and sought after
If someone even insinuated to me that I did what I did because I'm "easy or because of my up-bringing and I’m a slut" try saying that to my face as you will not know what hit you...
I now have my own place in the a stunning city...in the best location, I have furniture, food in the fridge...a $10.000 a year education and a future.
To say that about ex family girls is a real slap in the face...
In the country I come from the sex industry is fully legal unlike the states and I do know of a few girls who have done some stripping etc... To make some money for themselves to get the education they were deprived of as children and to build a live for themselves after being spat out of a cult that has left them with not a penny...
I admire girls for having the guts to do whatever it takes you to do to get you on your feet into your new life... and if it means exploiting yourself...as long as it's your choice... who's right is it to judge you... nobody!!!! you are your own person...
nobody owns your body but you!!!
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| From thomasmatrix
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 01:04
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Hey, I couldn't care less if you decide that BDSM is for you. Unless you were my sister.
On the other hand, there is often alot of talk about how ex-sg boys don't treat girls right, don't respect them, treat them like sex objects yadda yadda. While there is certainly some truth to that viewpoint (plead ignorance guys), you girls go about treating YOURSELVES with the same disrespect you accuse the ex-SG boys of and put yourselves in a position of being sex objects. - your own choice. - But hey lets blaime it on the ex-sg boys, that way no need for introspection!
What I don't understand is why ex-sg girls can't get waitressing jobs or something just NORMAL!!! - Why CHOOSE to be a stripper? I sympathise with any girl who has to strip or do BDSM, call girl to get by, because of no alternatives, and it is true that some, perhaps many have had no alternatives. - But then where's the choice? - You go on about choice, that its your choice to be a Dominatrix. - Great, really great, great choice is all I can say!
Us guys on the other hand have to do it the hard way, low paying jobs and trying to pay for our own education as well. Unfortunately in this gender equal world there ain't much place for guys to monkey around a pole for 10g's per week. - Perhaps we are actually the lucky ones however, with our low paying jobs, at least we don't pretend we had a choice.
peace peach
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| | | | | | | | | | | From Rain Child
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 05:34
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Actually, I've known a lot of guys who were male strippers, and got paid well for it. Nobody ever said anything about them exploiting themselves even though they had to go strip at all those hen's nights with drunken lustful women lechering all over them. In fact they could say proudly in front of groups of friends and acquaintances that they were strippers. No wigs and secret names for those boys!
The inequality of how it's perceived, the difference between men and women working in the sex industry is nothing more than sexism. Why is it more cheapening for a girl to do these things than for a man? Anyway, I wouldn't want anyone I cared about to be working in the industry, but I would staunchly defend their right to do so without stigmatism. And as we all find our own way, the least we can ask of this world, and especially of our fellow survivors, is not to judge us.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From vixen
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 03:14
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Oh boy, what a load of patronising crap!
What the hell is wrong with you??? What on earth is wrong with working as a dominatrix? Tell me what it is that makes it any different to any other sexual role played out by millions of people around the world every day, hmmm? Or is it just the fact that it pays so well that's gotten you all hot and bothered? Why don't you get off your high horse and get back to your shitty job where you can while away your time feeling good about yourself because *you* aren't a dirty, self-disrespecting 'sex object'! *rolls eyes*
So, because most women aren't stupid enough (or, if I'm being charitable, psychologically inclined) to pay top dollar for meaningless sexual experiences, you come here with your sour grapes about the virtues of being exploited at some crap, low-paying job? Grow up! Has it not occured to you what a ridiculous position it is to blame *women* for the supposed 'gender inequality' of the sex industry business? -- Supply and demand, my dear, supply and demand... Why don't you go complain to the *men* who pay for all these services, huh?
Okay, so let me quickly qualify that in the context of BDSM, at least, I don't actually see it as necessarily a 'meaningless experience', because it can actually sometimes be a *very* intimate and meaningful transaction, but, well, I wanted to make my point. As for stripping and/or other jobs within the sex industry, that's a discussion for another day, being slightly beside the point in this case, so I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about it.
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| | From thomasamatrix
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 04:56
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me patronising? - in this context? please!!! So you grow up in a sex cult and then rattle on about how you have a 'choice' about working in the sex trade. No, you are patronising in the extreme, expecting me to believe the delusions of someone who doesn't comprehend the dilemna of their own circumstance. So what if my attitude offends you.
And by the way, the mainstream, where I sit, aren't all "so how was your last BDSM session Charlie?", "oh yeah Tracey just great, I just loved that little chi-wawa outfit they had me in, mmm spanky spanky". - Doesn't really happen around my neck of the woods, maybe yours.
What the hell is wrong with YOU? From the sounds of things you seem to really value the "meaningful experience" that is BDSM. Well if you think so highly of it then I suppose you won't mind when your 9 year old comes up with "look what I want to be when I grow up, mommy".
I would like to see people who grew up in a fringe society (TF) move for the most part into mainstream. You on the other hand seem to want to be permissive and encourage yet more fringe behaviour and activities. - irresponsible of you!!
- In principle I agree that consenting adults should have choice and freedom within the confines of the law. However, its different in the case where the "consenting adults" were "unconsenting children", and I think that context throws your little dummy spat straight into the bin where it belongs.
If someone has, as a child developed an eating disorder due to poor parenting and then goes through life as an obese who earns his keep by entering "eating contests", well, although I agree it is his "right" to eat himself to death, I also believe it is irresponsible and actually callous to encourage his further endeavours in a self destructing behaviour/ activity.
Anyways, I see by your tone you are unlikely to see any point in what I've said. You seem to be one of those quasi-feminists who think its ok for women to be exploited so long as its a female rather than male CEO is at the enterprise' helm. - purely indicative of your ongoing flawed and self-destructive logic.
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| | From vixen
Thursday, March 09, 2006, 03:37
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‘me patronising? - in this context? please!!!’
Let me explain why I found your comment patronising: You start off saying you couldn’t care less about an individual’s choice to participate in BDSM scenarios, immediately followed by a statement that belies your real opinion, ‘unless you were my sister’, which to me is rather like saying, I have no problem at all with black people, but I’m damned if my sister will ever date one! It’s patronising to lecture people under the pretext of being an openminded person when you obviously are not. You obviously *do* care that she chose that profession or you wouldn't have bothered to write that comment, so just fucking be upfront about it. Secondly, you speak of the sex industry in an extremely prejudiced way, with no account given for the different levels of power and control that women might have depending on individual circumstances and what area of the industry one is working in. Your position is one of a foregone conclusion, namely that any and all work within the industry is dirty, perverse and degrading, resulting in an automatic diminishing of the given woman’s intrinsic value. You speak about all women who choose (or don’t choose, if we’re going to take your position) to work as strippers as being nothing more than sex objects. You condescendingly deride ex family strippers for rightly expecting a degree of respect regardless of their profession, which indicates that you believe that they have no right at all to such respect. Your comment is patronising because it assumes a universal persona for all ex family women within the sex industry, therefore completely dismissing the possibility that some of those women may be strong women who are in control, emotionally and intellectually, of the choices they make.
‘So you grow up in a sex cult and then rattle on about how you have a 'choice' about working in the sex trade. No, you are patronising in the extreme, expecting me to believe the delusions of someone who doesn't comprehend the dilemna of their own circumstance.’
I take great offense to this comment. You know very little about me and you read an awful lot into what I said in my comment. How DARE you presume to assert that I do not comprehend the contradictory nuances of my existence??? Like I’ve said before, I have never worked in the sex industry, and I can assure you that my position on this issue is not merely a defense of my own situation, as you seem to have assumed. Part of being a successful critical thinker is being able to dissect an issue with some degree of detachment and at least an attempt at seeing more than one’s own personal circumstance. If I were ever to work within the sex industry you can be sure that I would be very introspective indeed, making no excuses and taking full responsibility for my choices and the implication thereof.
‘And by the way, the mainstream, where I sit, aren't all "so how was your last BDSM session Charlie?", "oh yeah Tracey just great, I just loved that little chi-wawa outfit they had me in, mmm spanky spanky". - Doesn't really happen around my neck of the woods, maybe yours.’
You clearly know very little about what BDSM actually entails. And, I couldn’t care less whether or not the mainstream can identify with a given lifestyle choice. Who the hell gave you the license to decide what is or isn’t normal? Why do you think so many people pay top dollar for discreet services? - Because they have to hide who they are and what they want from narrowminded idiots who pass malicious judgement on anything they can’t personally identify with.
‘What the hell is wrong with YOU? From the sounds of things you seem to really value the "meaningful experience" that is BDSM. Well if you think so highly of it then I suppose you won't mind when your 9 year old comes up with "look what I want to be when I grow up, mommy".’
Well, I have two daughters and I hope I have raised them in such a way that they respect themselves enough to make the choices that are right for them on the grounds of truly finding themselves, rather than letting ‘mainstream society’ dictate how they live more than is absolutely necessary. I also hope that if one of my daughters (or both of them) decided that BDSM was for them, they would feel comfortable enough and secure enough in my love to be able to confide in me and expect my continued respect, love and support. The only thing that would truly bother me about such a scenario, is that I’d be painfully aware of how much grief they would most likely have to put up with from prejudiced individuals such as yourself. I also don’t see what is wrong with valuing the meaning of an intimate act between two consenting adults? You seem to be very defensive about anything that you yourself aren’t into. Why are you so freaked out by something that is really just a matter of personal preference?
‘I would like to see people who grew up in a fringe society (TF) move for the most part into mainstream. You on the other hand seem to want to be permissive and encourage yet more fringe behaviour and activities. - irresponsible of you!!’
Like it or not, I grew up in a fringe society. So what, I’ve dealt with it, and it has made me who I am. I rather like me, and I see no reason to castigate myself for something that was out of my control. By the same token, I see no point in continuing to perpetuate the victim’s role by living my life in a reactionary way. I will make the lifestyle choices that suit me, who I really am, regardless of how I came to be who I am. I will not waste my life by limiting myself in order to fit into a framework that does not allow me to live in a way that is true to myself. Irresponsible? What??? I am responsible for myself and my daughters, no one else, and I will accept no responsibility for what others choose to do with their lives. As far as my own life is concerned, I have brought up two daughters to be bright, creative, strong and self-respecting individuals with a secure and loving home environment and a good relationship with both their parents. I have spent many years putting their needs before my own, materially, emotionally and intellectually, being sensible and responsible in every aspect of my life. I am extremely proud of them.
‘- In principle I agree that consenting adults should have choice and freedom within the confines of the law. However, its different in the case where the "consenting adults" were "unconsenting children", and I think that context throws your little dummy spat straight into the bin where it belongs.’
Uh huh. It’s always the same with you people who like to sound like openminded, rational people. Your whole post contradicts your attempt to come across as an accepting individual. In actuality, you seem to abhor anything that is not straightforward, nice, bland ‘normality’ (a subjective term if ever there was one!). Well, I have news for you, dear! - the world is NOT straightforward, it is messy, it is difficult, it is damaging to an extent, no matter how idyllic one’s childhood might have been, and if you are going to judge people’s decisions as adults (at least on an issue such as sexual behaviour which is a personal one and has, in many cases, little or no bearing on any other area of one’s life) by how they might be connected to childhood experiences, then you are condemning just about everyone. You also fail to make any distinction between the different areas of the sex industry, and in doing so I believe you make a flawed argument. There is a big difference between walking the streets as the drugged out slave of a pimp, and setting up your own business in order to offer paying clients a discreet service. By that I do not mean prostitution, as I’m sure you’re aware that BDSM does not necessarily include sexual intercourse.
‘If someone has, as a child developed an eating disorder due to poor parenting and then goes through life as an obese who earns his keep by entering "eating contests", well, although I agree it is his "right" to eat himself to death, I also believe it is irresponsible and actually callous to encourage his further endeavours in a self destructing behaviour/ activity.’
I concede that there is some truth to your comment here. And I will also state that I am well aware that many people who work in the sex industry are damaged individuals. I am not arguing that point at all. But I do take issue with your apparent assertion that all behaviour that lies outside of mainstream normality is depraved and self-destructive. That is utterly and completely untrue.
‘Anyways, I see by your tone you are unlikely to see any point in what I've said. You seem to be one of those quasi-feminists who think its ok for women to be exploited so long as its a female rather than male CEO is at the enterprise' helm. - purely indicative of your ongoing flawed and self-destructive logic.’
Again, another assumption you’ve made that is completely incorrect. I am not stupid and I know full well that exploitation of women is rife within the sex industry. I would never adopt such a ridiculously absolute position on an issue that is so problematic. You seem to be unable to see in anything but black and white, and therefore you project that quality onto me. I am not extolling the sex industry as some sort of ideal environment, and I fully accept that some of the ex family women who went into that profession did so because they had, unfortunately, been irrevocably damaged by their upbringing. However, I know several women who have chosen, yes, chosen , to work as strippers and/or hostesses, and they do it because it affords them a good standard of living while they study. They are intelligent, successful individuals in long-term, committed relationships, and I don’t for one second believe that they have given up all rights to respect from you or anybody else.
Finally, I aplogise for the length of this comment and for any grammatical errors or typos that I may have missed.(reply to this comment) |
| | From thomasmatrix
Saturday, March 11, 2006, 16:26
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Wow, a whole Mo-letter just for me! As touching as that is however I have to clarify several incorrect assumptions you've made.
I never assumed you were or ever had been in the sex industry. When I said:
"So you grow up in a sex cult and then rattle on about how you have a 'choice' about working in the sex trade. No, you are patronising in the extreme, expecting me to believe the delusions of someone who doesn't comprehend the dilemma of their own circumstance."
- The 'you' in the first sentence was a general 'you' and loosely referred to 'dominatrix' who does tell us she is a pro-sex worker. In the second sentence 'you' refers to you, Vixen, and 'someone' again refers to 'dominatrix'. Seemed clear to me when I wrote it, maybe you are reading into things huh?
You've (as in you, Vixen) have also blatantly labeled me intolerant for not wanting my sisters to be sex workers. Well if the measure of intolerance is not wanting my sisters to work in the sex trade, then I accept your slur as a compliment. I don't want my sisters to work in the sex trade. TF’s dogma taught people to measure value in terms of sexual prowess; the FF'er who brought in the most funds; the woman/ man who was most sexually desirable in the home; and yes, the up-and-coming sg's who were most flirted with by the adults, etc.
I am proud that my sisters do not value themselves solely in terms of the amount sexual attention, and that they do not feel their most valuable contribution is in the sex industry. Each one of them are incredibly bright, have much to offer and each have a highly regarded place in my life. Their individual opinions and actions at different times have been of such importance to me.
If one of them felt that for some reason they wished to work in the sex industry, I would only want to know why. I would want them to understand the possible dangers and inevitabilities of working in that industry (if they didn’t already know), and I would want them to know that if it was just for money, I would not agree with it. – You see this is one point of severe disagreement with you. You previously said:
“Why don't you get off your high horse and get back to your shitty job where you can while away your time feeling good about yourself because *you* aren't a dirty, self-disrespecting 'sex object'! *rolls eyes*”
- You blatantly extol the benefits of working in the sex industry because, I can “get back to my shitty job”, as if success should be measured solely in terms of how much one earns. – There are some jobs I would not do regardless of how much money I could make, I suppose this is where you and I differ. On a related topic I also doubt that our dear “dominatrix” is making over half a mil per year (yup, do the math, $10k per week at 52 weeks = $520,000). – I’m sick of people talking up the sex industry, especially when it’s pure BS.
Now to approach the real issue of debate – yes debate, I’m not “lecturing” or “shepherding” as you and someone else have said. I am presenting my side of a debate, that is all. So my issue is one of “choice”. I agree that it is POSSIBLE that some ex-sg girls have “chosen” to be sex workers but I think I can demonstrate that is the exception rather than the rule.
Firstly I know girls personally and know of girls who would tell you after leaving and working in the sex trade at 18-19, that they “chose” to do it. – Only to have the same girls say that they “had no choice” 3 or 5 years later. So tell me, when were they lying and when were they telling the truth? – I think it’s all a matter of perception and how you understand choice. They probably DID DECIDE to enter the sex industry because there weren’t other options they found acceptable. – This is where perception comes into it, if they decide to be a porn star because they are too good to live on a waitresses wage then I’m sorry I shall not pity them. On the other hand it is true that growing up in TF has caused people to measure themselves by sexual prowess and that this has become a part of individual identities – in this case I feel that a girl DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE – that is the way she understands herself because that is how she has been measured her whole life.
Another way I’d like to express my opinion is by way of simple numbers. When I left TF I would say about 8 out of 10 ex-sg girls I knew of were in the sex industry. Now its more like 2 out of 10. Even so, that’s 20% of all ex-sg girls in the sex industry. That would have to be way above any national average. If 2 out of 10 people in the US were sex workers that would be 20 million sex workers out of every 100 million people, or one in 5 households. – Based on this I would say that there are definitely LESS choices when coming out of TF as to whether a girl seeks employment in the sex industry.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From ~*DOMINANT*~
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 16:00
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What is wrong with BDSM? Why the push to adopt mainstream culture and what country's culture should we adopt? Do you wear "Chihuahua" outfits? Nobody I know does. What is "fringe behavior"? BDSM is not something you do in front of your kids, nor is normal sex, and is not always a profession. Many married couples practice it. BDSM and eating disorders are not in the same ballpark, they are not even the same fucking game. If you dont like it, don't do it.(reply to this comment) |
| | From thomasamatrix
Thursday, March 09, 2006, 02:35
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I'm not saying there is anything "wrong with BDSM". - My point of debate is the issue of choice and whether the fact that one grows up in TF means they have more or less choice as to whether they go from sex cult to sex trade/ industry.
For example, when leaving TF is it easier to go into a BDSM occupation or into another trade, like say a librarian, or doctor, or accountant or engineer?
My push for the mainstream is because I believe it gives you more choices, including the option of choosing a margnialised occupation like BDSM. On the other hand if you are already on the fringes you may have a harder time going mainstream. - In other words being marginalised (or marginalising yourself) limits your options/ choices.
Oh and by the way I think both eating and sex have much in common. - they are both inate human drives expressed as desires and both can be affected by other psychological complexes like for example the oedipus complex and/or other phobias (I read it in a book somewhere).(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Rain Child
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 05:43
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Actually, what we left the 'fringe society' for was freedom, and part of that is freedom to make unwise choices and grow from them. (or not, as the individual chooses) You can't try and 'shepherd' us anymore. we've got to work it out for ourselves, and some of us will travel many paths, swinging our pendulum from one extreme to the other in our quest for balance. It's all part of the journey we're entitled to make on our own.(reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 05:07
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Well, hello there ;-)
Let me ask you a favour: Could you post under your real ID, please? Most people who frequent this site (or at least those whom I count as worthy opponents or allies) know who I am, who the hell are you??? Okay, so I'm guilty of a famed Bergism, but seriously, I'd rather know who I'm debating with, and also, anyone could post with your alias and I'd have no way of knowing if it's even the same person each time.
Having got that out of the way, I can't get into answering all the things you said right now because, well, for once I've decided I must strive to the best of my ability for that Domestic Goddess badge, and I also have homework to do. But I will say that I accept that I am feeling rather pissy these days, so maaaaaaybe I overreacted a little eensie teensie bit.
Another thing, I've never worked in the sex industry and I have no experience with BDSM, so my position is not wholly reactionary.
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| | From thomasamatrix
Thursday, March 09, 2006, 02:44
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considering we seem have a host of other semi-professional/ professional Dominatrix' posting under fake ID's, at least I'm not the only one who's not coming "out of the closet".
Anyways I would have thought the argument could be taken at face value rather than "arguing the person" on reputation or other stakes.
I sincerely think the whole topic of choice as it relates to the occupations some of us engage in would be an interesting long-term debate/ discussion topic. - And i'm sure there would be many a valid argument if enough people got involved in the interaction. Self-Determinism?(reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 05:20
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Alright, I admit I have a hard time leaving things alone, but I just had to add that I find the list of assumptions you made about me on the basis of my post quite extraordinary! I'm curious as to whether or not you are someone with whom I've chatted before? But then, I doubt you'd tell me, since you didn't have the guts to post under your ID in the first place. Dealing with a bit of a sensitive subject, are we?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From nobodyelsebiz
Tuesday, March 07, 2006, 23:47
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Oh and another thing...even if I hadn't been brought up in the family I would still be into BDSM... i like it... it's a personal choice...just like anything else...it's my sexual prefferance just like my being a pan-sexual... (gasp!!! is that a result of my upbring too???) for those of you who don't know what pansexual look it up on the internet...
No it's just my own person choices and likes....
I no longer work as a Pro Domme...as I've retired and moved on to another career now...but I still do sometimes indulge an old client from time to time...just so you know!!
and by the way you stupid little CATHOLIC CUNT!!!!! what are you doing even having sex??? aren't you like suposse to save that for when you get married... (reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 04:09
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'Oh and another thing...even if I hadn't been brought up in the family I would still be into BDSM...'
I wonder if you might not be discounting your experiences a little too much, there, babe? Upbringing and childhood experiences has so much to do with who one becomes as a person that I feel it is intellectually dishonest (I don't even know if that's a real term or not, but, well, who cares, eh) to dismiss them altogether. The fact is, none of us will ever know for sure which parts of us are or aren't directly derived from our cult experience, or to what degree, and I think that's something we have to accept. I can see the appeal of not allowing the cult any 'credit' for what feels like your own individual choice, particularly in such a personal area as sexual appetite and inclination, but I'm just wondering whether you aren't being slightly defensive in completely excluding your past as having a measure of influence on who you are sexually? Or is it maybe that you feel that it would be defensive, in a sense, to 'make excuses' for your sexuality by blaming it on circumstances out of your control? Or are you simply approaching the subject in a reactionary way due to the original poster's obviously flawed declaration that each of us are severely and irrevocably limited, emotionally and otherwise, by our past?
I just feel that you would do yourself far more proud by declaring, yes, this is who I am and I respect myself because I am worth something for who I am, not because of choice or lack of it, but just because it's who I am!
Meh, maybe I do tend to overanalyse :-)
Please understand that I am not in any way attacking you or your choices or trying to make you uncomfortable - I am interested in the subject of personal choice in relation to sex and I enjoy being able to understand more about myself by understanding more about others. I'm looking for an enlightening exchange, that's all.
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| | from Tangfastic
Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 16:42
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Get off this website!!!
What kind of pervert do you have to be to only know the ex-family girls that are sluts or strippers.
There are a lot of people who have left that are at university or have careers. Sounds like the family is the kind of place for you Catholic boy.
how dare you think you can make assumptions about us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are clearly a massive wanker to be preying on girls that are confused and trying to fit in.
Who cares if I'm not "normal" like you, if that means boring, fat, slow and incredibly insensitive.
People are using this website to help dealt with any problems they still suffer and all you can do is bring your small-dicked problems with your stripper girlfriend emasculating you and dumpping you like the sad sack of meat you are!!!!!!!!!!
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| from juanaw
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:27
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This guy was in TF... he just doesn't get to share anymore... Boo Hoo Hoo...
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| from juanaw
Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:20
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Sounds like you have been scorned by many women. Perhaps the last was an XFam. Does that really reflect badly on second gen. fm girls or you?
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| from ...........
Monday, October 10, 2005 - 09:46
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If you look for a stripper or dancer, you will get one. Stay out of strip clubs and maybe you will meet some different kinds of women. What kind of sick pervert hangs out in strip clubs anyways? The extent of your friends seems to be strippers and people who date strippers. To me, you have gotten what you deserve and looked for.
In addition, believe me, there are many of us who are not, and will never be strippers. Actually, I would say, that a small minority of the girls who leave, become strippers.
Some of us left sooner than others and have fewer problems to face, but most of us will do much better than what it seems you have done with your life. You would not catch me hanging out in a strip club, much less dating a man who does.
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| from mia1
Friday, October 07, 2005 - 18:43
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hmm
interesting, I grew up in the fam and no I don't strip although I think that would definately be a good thing to learn as it would make me an like awesome bod' never mind the mind-blowing sex that would follow should I attempt to try it out on my other half. Easy to sleep with, hmm well catholic I have half read u post and Im like sorry to say but no I have no desire to sleep with you. I can like try to understand why some girls would find themselves in, like, your bed, might be because they feel sorry for you. Most women have that weakness and that isn't just family girls, oh and since you have slept with SO many family girls wouldn't that like make you a man whore?? Now who is the one with the addiction? I think ur like addicted to fucking cultie girls...dude you need help, like sooooo much! Catholics, ohh they never change....
excess usage of the word like, was like tottaly on purpose.
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| from Nick
Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 07:33
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This guy sounds like some little wimp that can not keep his GF so blames her for being a slut. Sour grapes!
Just like when he hits on the fine chick at the bar and then "realizes" that she is a lesbian after she blows him off.
While I do agree that there are a lot of X family women that do have very week personalities, I have also seen many many examples of the opposite!
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| from Thunder7
Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 20:01
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I gave your mom $3 for a lap dance last night. Catholics are such sluts.
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| | | | from flutterfly
Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 00:34
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To Catholic,
Putting your comments aside about how "week & mentally inept" we must be for having been in a cult, & giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are struggling to understand your girlfriend, I think you need to look at your self & ask yourself why you have such harsh and angry feelings toward her for not being able to adjust to a "normal" lifestyle. Why were you attracted to her in the first place? Surely if you were a picture of normalicy & fit into society perfectly, you would have chosen someone who by your standards is well adjusted, strong & intellegent. Compared to the billions of women in the world there are very few ex-family & you chose to date one of them.
Maybe you need to be stonger yourself by dating stonger women. --And find out what's missing in your life that allows you to feel angry by the weekness of your girlfriend. Be strong!! Sometimes the things we hate about others are the things we hate about ourselves or another member of our family who was that way as we were growing up.
Find a new girlfriend. I hope she finds a new boyfriend too.
F
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| from CarolOlv
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 08:38
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Fuck you.
Why the fuck were you allowed membership on this site. Can he leave?? Why is he here? Why was he allowed membership? We come here to get away from people like him.
Die, I hate people like you. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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| | | | | | | | | | from projection alert
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 05:48
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Did you ever consider that you have no self worth, that you are insecure and that you prey on woman who are not as strong, so that when it goes wrong you can always point the finger at them instead of yourself?
Whats the difference between a male slut and a female one? Because it seems you are easy to bed too! So what you've just writen could well describe you.
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| from Gothsmack
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 05:22
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Fuck you, you fucking fuck!
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| | | | from lisa
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 04:26
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You can get the girl out of The Family, but you can't get the Family out of the girl.
Your right The Family will always be a part of who I am and I’m proud of it. It taught me how to survive, how to be strong, how to adapt.
I have been dating an ex-Family member for awhile now and it is evident, you people can never really make that transition into the "Normal" world. You people may think you can fit into society, but you don't.
If by the "Normal world" you mean whatever reality you inhabit, I’m glad I don’t ‘fit in’
I cannot fathom being so weak and mentally inept that I would actually be a member of a cult.
Seeing as your week, inept, unimaginative, mind cannot even fathom, what its like to be born into, and grow up in, a cult (and then find the strength to go against, your friends, family and who you believe god to be) and leave. Much less actually do, you are hardly in a position to judge
The majority of the girls I have met who left the family are strippers or some of the easiest girls to get in bed.
I feel this has less to do with ex-Family girls being easy and more to do with the fact that you keep hanging out in strip joints. Yes it is a very sad fact that un-educated, sexually abused girls do often end up in the sex trade. Seeing as you judge them, your probably one of those that react to a 5 year old being raped, by saying ‘she shouldn’t have flirted with him’
You can get the girl out of the family but you can't get the family out of the girl. Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training---Anna Freud
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| from lisa
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:58
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While I respect that the managers of this site don't like censorship, seeing as this person is not a second gen and has absolutly nothing worth saying, could an exception be made in this case?
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| from lisa
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:58
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While I respect that the managers of this site don't like censorship, seeing as this person is not a second gen and has absolutly nothing worth saying, could an exception be made in this case?
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| | | | | | | | | | from tuneman7
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 23:15
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Someone just had his girlfriend break up with him and/or cheat on him.
What are your credentials, Catholic?
Do you have a University Education?
Do you have a professional Education?
What's worse, the girl who jumps in bed readily, or the guy who takes advantage of said girl and then calls her a slut?
You are one maladjusted character. We certainly do leave, and many of us are probably a whole lot better educated, credentialed and adjusted than you are.
What's your problem anyway? Real girls are too hard for you to develop a relationship with so you choose some girl who was born into a group and is still going through the adjustment period and criticize her for having problems?
Stop whining about what's wrong with girls born into this cult. They didn't join, you clown, they were born into it. They left because they are incredibly strong people.
Yes, some are strippers. What's wrong with being a stripper? If you think it's so awful, why do you hang out with them? What have you done to help these young girls keep that occupation as a temporary stepping stone into an education and career? Probably nothing.
Next time you get involved with some girl be a man, you clown. Take time to understand who it is you're getting involved with and what their state of psychological health is rather than letting your little head to the thinking for both of your big ones. I doubt you did that. You probably jumped right into bed because you could. Pitiful excuse for a man.
Next time you exploit these women, my friends, be man enough not to insult them when you're done.
She probably dumped you or slept with another guy after some mishap. You didn't know what you were getting into, and now you complain about it?!!!
This nonsense makes my blood boil. Shame on you! It's possible that one of these girls who were born into this group treated you badly. Many of these women have latent anger against men because of the way they were mistreated and abused. That being the case, they use their sexuality to exert what they never had in childhood, -- control. Women can easily control men through sexuality, especially non-self-aware men, for whom you are a poster boy to say the least. When they're upset or whatever, there is that impulse to want to hurt a man, because of the way that they were hurt by men. It's a subconscious thing, which any dude, who stops thinking about his dick long enough will figure out.
There were plenty of warning signs in whatever association you're lamenting. You ignored them because you were either infatuated, or you were using this person for sex. Plain and simple.
Let me tell you what, Catholic, plenty of these girls have done amazing things with their lives, and many still will, even those you're deriding right now, if they have the courage to move out of self-destructive cycles, which many of them will have. I couldn't think of a more self-destructive thing than dating you.
Any clown, who has so many insecurities and is so imperceptive that he will take his pitiful little situation and vent on a site like this, is a very dangerous man for any woman to be dating. How dare you!!
You haven't done half the work most of these girls have to try to have a normal life. And you're going to anonymously post running down an entire group of people who in many cases have beaten the odds to lead happy and constructive lives?
You’re not worth any more of my time. Next time think about yourself, think about the other person. Take some time to know whatever woman you’re interested before you go jumping in bed with them only to later label her, and complain that she and others like her are “easy to get in bed.” -- If she weren’t you probably would never have gotten laid, you looser.
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| from ErikMagnusLehnsher
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 19:26
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This has to be one of the most cruel, vile articles I have ever read here. You are a heartless bastard.
May the lice of a thousand camels infest your nuts.
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| from upset!!!
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 16:16
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Catholic....I'm going to reply to you without reading any of the other responses.
The way you address us as "you people" is SO insulting!!! We NEVER joined the family cult or any other cult. We were victims of the cult!! I am a female who grew up in the cult and I'm probably the hardest person to "get into bed" because I am terrified as a result of my experiences! Everyone reacts differently to physical and emotional abuse, some become more withdrawn and other may go the opposite way. The point is that everyone has their way of dealing with abuse, and don't you dare judge us!
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| from Benz
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 15:03
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Do you feel big and strong now? Aren't you a hero now big boy?
Does emotionally and verbally abusing a defenseless girl make you feel like a man? obviously does! - and there are plenty more like you, many of whom are trained in the art by such institutions as the catholic church. You can't feel good in yourself without trying to tear someone else down, but worse of all you choose the most defenseless to be the victims of your self-gratification.
Cultures of degrading women abound, and are not limited to TF. You are my anti-thesis and I will be happy in this life when I have developed a way to victimise you in a way worse than you so earnestly try to do to the defensless (with or without your realising it). Any time I barb or harm a person like you I will claim victory, you pathetic half-life/ half-parasite.
I leave this conversation with my parting wish to you:
May you, and your friends (you say are guys who grew up in TF), meet with the rewards of your actions, that your abusive natures get the best of you early, while you are still young. I can just see the smiles on the faces of those hardened criminals waiting for you......
go on boys, go on, i will only smile the more you continue to lay a path for yourselves, which will only make whatever bad happens to you all the sweeter.
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| | | | from Baxter
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:28
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So as far as you're concerned, your girlfriend is just an easy doormat who's there to be exploited, while you ridicule and bitch about her problems to other people.
The real question is: why would anyone be dumb enough to date you?
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| | | | | | | from Holon
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 09:38
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You know this really pisses me off. My husband has said this same thing to me over and over,your both couple of uncompationate assholes. He doesnt like me coming on this website because he say's doing so isnt helping me to "move on" and that I should forget about my friends who are now ex-members aswell because we ourselves have become a cult of ex-members yet, he has friends who he grew-up with that he see's on a regular bases and talks to and hangs out with from school ect.. and we dont have that. All we have is eachother to relate to you just dont understand.
You could go into the phone book and call up any old school buddy and talk to or get together with and no one would think twice about it. Well we dont have that kind of luxury. So we do try to keep in contact and we probably do it more so because we cant just go to a phone book or go to a school reunion.
Try on her moccasin before judging her. My guess is you also just got done fighting with her about this you feel the need to vent a bit but your just going to piss everyone off talking like you are. If you really want some answers you could go about it more tactfuly
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| | | | from weegirlie
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 08:29
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Goodness!!! With a boyfriend like you it's no wonder she's like that!! I feel so sorry for her, not only having to deal with the issues of her past but being with someone who obviously has no respect for her and is simply taking advantage of her insecurities.
I used to be like her years ago right after I left and there were a load of selfish twats like you who took advantage of my vulnerability and left me feeling like the only way I could get attention and "love" (if you could call it that) was by sleeping with people. Thankfully I found a wonderful man who made me realise I was worth so much more than that and I would never go back to that insecure, confused person. I just hope your poor girlfriend realises she's worth so much more and ditches your sorry ass.
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| from porceleindoll
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 06:52
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Catholic, I think you have made a mistake in making such sweeping and general statements of many people based on your experiences with just a few. I find it very narrow-minded and mean-spirited of you to do so.
I also think you have a small heart for your condescending and rude remarks concerning your girlfriend and other ex-TFI ladies whom you have had the chance to meet. Until you know what we have gone through and lived the life we did, you really have no right to make such blatantly ridiculous remarks.
The cult will always be part of who we are, it will always be within our very being, and some of us walk a very thin line between our past, our present and our future. Some have managed to push ourselves away from that line, some haven't. Some have given into the despair that follows us around and sometimes seems to every ready to take us over. Some of us have managed to completely rid ourselves of the fear and lack of confidence we dragged into our new lives. Some haven't, and some have decided to end it all and gave into the despair.
I truly believe that you would be better off without the woman you are speaking of, and I know for a fact she would be better off without you. I sincerely hope she realises it soon, and seeks a companion who would see the diamond within and do his part to bring it out, rather than someone whom is so very self-absorbed and wrapped up in himself that he cannot see beyond his own dick.
My sympathies go out to you and your small-minded meanness.
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| from Lance
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 23:26
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Wow! That has to be the saddest thing I've read in months.
If you were standing in front of me right now I would kick your ass at the mere suggestion that your girlfriend is weak simply for being a former member; in fact I think that she'd prove herself strong by dumping a sorry fucker like you. I think you probably encourage her dependence on you by magnifying her issues or at least by not being empathetic, and that this makes you feel strong -like you control her. Well fuck you! My sisters have dated guys like you and you're a cheap, unintelligent fuck head!
It doesn't matter that your girlfriend is a former member, the truth is that you would find some weakness in any girl you date, because you are incapable of having a relationship with a strong, intelligent women. And you discourage your girlfriends from being strong.
Fuck you! you are the plague of society!
I mean you are literally calling your girlfriend weak and mentally inept... are you fucking retarded?!! What kind of boyfriend says that?
I hope your girlfriend dumps your ass.
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| | | | from booger
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 21:20
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Commenting on this post gives it merit. No one else should waste any time commenting on this idiot's post.
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| | | | from JohnnieWalker
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 20:41
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I sincerely hope you don't mind me commenting on your above post, but I intend to tear into it:
1) You claim you have met a number of ex-Family people and based upon your encounters with them you proceed to label the entire ex-Family population with one broad, arrogant stroke. Would you consider this decent judgment on your part?
2) With your comment of "You can get the girl out of the Family ..." you have labeled my wife, two of my best friends, and a number of female acquaintances of mine, none of which you have met. I'm sure you understand my taking offence to your insensitive remark on their behalf.
3) You said, "I cannot fathom being so weak and mentally inept that I would actually be a member of a cult."
This might not be apparent to you, so let me spell it out for you in 3 simple words: Neither could they.
You see, when you grow up in a group like The Family, you have no knowledge of what life on the outside is really like. You base every one of your decisions on that which you have been taught is truth for your entire life.
Weak? Mentally inept? You really have no idea, do you.
While they may have chosen a less socially acceptable lifestyle, they have, nevertheless, demonstrated the courage and psychological stamina to walk away from the only life, home and family they ever knew.
4) You went on to say, "The majority of the girls I have met who left the family are strippers or some of the easiest girls to get in bed."
Might I suggest you attempt to help those you criticize as opposed to preying on them?
In conclusion, I would like to say this, catholic: You've commented on what you consider to be a problem. Have you come up with a solution also?
It's so easy to point the finger in accusation and derision. You've demonstrated that quite well. It is much harder, however, to come up with a realistic and beneficial solution and show a genuine concern for remedying the situation at hand.
The world needs more people with that kind of attitude.
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| from to dumb fucker
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 18:30
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I could say that about a few catholic girls I know as well.....
- A cheap insult dude, and one probably better kept to yourself. The truth is that when you are treated a certain way as a child you pretty much have no choice but to internalise that treatment and replicate it in the way you treat yourself later until you can sort it all out. - A person is often stuck in a cycle because of the picture they have of themselves. A picture which is created by the way they were treated and taught to value themselves as. So certain behaviour which made them feel accepted in the past is replicated whenever this person wants to be validated/ valued. As with sex, mainly with girls, this has a pretty consistent success rate if validation/ being validated is what is truly sought.
It's typical of people with an abusive upbringing and not solely particular to growing up in TF.
Time to see a bigger picture and stop categorising everything in your myopic, small-minded way. Sure, most of us who leave need to sort stuff out, and most will with a bit of time and healing.
If you are a christian, then I remind you to "judge not that you be not judged, for with what measure you judge you shall be judged". Hell, who am I to preach, I think your a dumb faggot anyhow!!
If you are better, be better, if you are bigger, be bigger - no one cares how much "better" you say you are. You're only typical of someone who had a less abusive upbringing and thinks that makes you a better person. Well dude, suck my pussy if you actually think me or any of my truly wonderful sisters/ brothers would give two shits about what someone like you has to say
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| | | | | | | From Random
Tuesday, October 04, 2005, 12:12
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The reality is that you are a exmember just trying to get attention. You are so involved with the cult, that your way to make yourself feel better is putting down others, when you cool down & realize what a Idiot you are, you will never visit this site again. so you have been hurt from your past weather it may have been your Dad or significant other that hurt you, you are hurt. Don't be a bully you have no right to say things like that. Be a real man & appoligize for your stupidity. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From mia1
Thursday, October 13, 2005, 21:41
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You know what we don't have to prove anything to you. Your a worthless little shithead who obviously has no life and is getting off on all the scathing posts that he's getting. Your life is so pathetic!! Your cock is so small you probably had to get some poor stripper to get off on instead of a real woman! As far as ex-cultie guys who agree with you I hope they get a life that's far away from a pathetic loser like you. Oh, and I have no shame in my trashy vocabulary, so you can suck my dick!!(reply to this comment) |
| | From Haunted
Monday, October 03, 2005, 20:43
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Oh dear, how many times must we go over this:
You obviously need to get out more in the ex-member community if all you know are a few who danced for a living. Personally, I know Lawyers, Bankers, DJ's, Marketing Managers, Scientists, Office Managers, Real Estate Agents, Yoga Instructors, Nurses, Moms, Intelligence Officers, Soldiers, Pilots, Teachers, Students and much more.....
There are thousands of us - - don't presume you know us because you've met a few. And hey, if you don't like the fact that she's a dancer, screw you dude. She's an adult and can do what she wants.
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| | | | | | | | from AndyH
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 18:11
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Wow! Harsh!
Did you ever think to consider that it wasn't up to us? If any of us were weak is was because they designed us that way, and mentally inept? Catholicism is just as far-fetched and if your so mentally apt why don't you wake to some of the obvious flaws in your religion and renounce it.
Catholic: Hey kettle, this is the pot, your black!
Or maybe you should jsut confront this girl, instead of taking out your frustration on a bunch of people who have absolutely nothing to do with you.
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| from Torquemada
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 17:52
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Catholic: The majority of the girls I have met who left the family are strippers or some of the easiest girls to get in bed.
Torquemada: Bad little Catholic....Bad...sleeping with a woman who is not your wife...bad..shame..shame.
Two full rosaries or it's Auto de Fe time for you
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| from Chuckle
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 17:42
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Ahh...sounds like someones going through a bad breakup.
My advice: Eat lots of ice cream, avoid excess alcohol and get mega-stoned. Stay that way for a while, eventually you'll feel better.
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