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from setherial - Saturday, April 16, 2005
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from cultkiller
Monday, April 18, 2005 - 12:07

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Stephen can be contacted through his web site: www.quoz.biz
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from porceleindoll
Monday, April 18, 2005 - 04:23

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Moderator, I'd like to ask that the posts on this discussion which discuss both Jono and Steven being pedophiles or having broken any laws be removed. I feel it's a violation of their rights as persons to be discussed so freely on this forum. I believe the rules about naming abusers extend to the persons who were abused, or those who had a direct involvement in the situation, and not to heresayers and 3rd partiers. It seems to be degrading to a level of gossip and rumor which can have negative fallout on the persons who are being gossipped about and I feel it's important that we uphold the same standards for exmembers as we would for present members in respecting the basics rights each of us has as people.

If someone was personally molested or abused by either Steven or Jono speaks out about it, it would be different. But so far I haven't read anything by anyone who was, just posts based on rumors.
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From Jules
Monday, April 18, 2005, 12:17

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I agree PD that hearsay is not appropriate for this forum. If you have direct knowledge of criminal behaviour, that is a different issue, but the rumours have been "trailerparked". Allegations of sexual abuse are a serious matter and should not be made lightly. Thank you. (reply to this comment

From EyesWideShut
Monday, April 18, 2005, 08:09

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I agree.(reply to this comment
From lyraraven
Monday, April 18, 2005, 06:27

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I don't in any way believe Stephan is a pedophile - however, he has on multiple occasions denied adult-child sexual relations are wrong in all circumstances.

As for Jono, wasn't he partially excommed from the Family for having innapropriate relations with a minor (though, granted, he's fairly young himself).

And regarding the claims about visas, etc., aren't they all true?

I won't deny, however, that Stephan & Jono are for the most part very nice guys.(reply to this comment

From dan.j
Monday, April 18, 2005, 09:49

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Yeah, I can't really see stephen as a pedophile. On the other hand, he does support the Family's policy (or shall I say former policy) on adult-child sex. Which, however sickening, is not a crime in itself.

In regards to how he got his visa for Japan and him not paying taxes, I believe those claims are true. But to be fair, most of TF in Japan don't either. (reply to this comment

From xolox
Monday, April 18, 2005, 11:25

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Correction, supporting a policy that enables paedophilia is criminal.

If one supports a child fucker, or has knowledge of it and keeps silent, one is just as perverted and criminal.(reply to this comment

From lyraraven
Monday, April 18, 2005, 14:12

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Xolox, I think you are taking it too far. No one here has yet claimed that Stephan supported child molestors or kept silent when he knew about abuse.

He has simply failed to decry the principle of the matter, not particular actions.(reply to this comment

From mike.C
Monday, April 18, 2005, 09:37

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From lyraraven
Monday, April 18, 2005, 08:17

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The point about Stephan Y. at times going out of his way to help people through the process of leaving the Family also deserves to be mentioned again.(reply to this comment
From Shackled
Monday, April 18, 2005, 16:21

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I think it's only fair to add that his intentions of helping young teenagers that were leaving TF were not entirely pure. He needed workers and instead of wages he offered food and shelter. However, the hours worked far exceeded what they received. And certain individuals that were closer to Steven always received better treatment, including cash. This is not hearsay, I was there. It went on for years. He's a clever bastard and a nice guy so it was hard to really believe he'd do such a thing. As a Christian he's failed in upholding his moral beliefs. As a businessman, that's how they are and he should just call himself one. (reply to this comment
From C.
Monday, April 18, 2005, 04:49

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Thank you porceleindoll. I couldn't agree more. (reply to this comment
from sandi
Monday, April 18, 2005 - 02:18

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Whether SY is the philanthropist he likes to portray himself as, or indeed, the asshole some believe him to be, these are both non-issues. There is, however, some very serious questions about his legal status in Japan, his involvement in criminal acts, tax & identity fraud, at the very least he should be made to give acount for himself (to the police), and if the charges are proven, deported. Why should people outside the Family have to obey (and answer to) the law and abide by regulations set down by the authorities, while Family members, like S, can do as they want. I too hate paying taxes; life would be so much easier if I didn't have to apply for visa's when going on vacation to certain countries. But I do. Why? Because I know the consequences if I don't. Stephen may be a nice guy, but he still has to face the consequences of his actions. It seems S(& Co.) are trying to use this form to distract from the real issue at hand.
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Tuesday, April 19, 2005, 00:45

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Sandy, you are such an ignorant woman..lol(reply to this comment
From p
Monday, April 18, 2005, 03:36

This thread is in The Trailer Park 
from Shackled
Monday, April 18, 2005 - 01:09

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SY is no pedophile, child abuser, sex offender or one we should be going after. IMO, we're not out to destroy the lives of those who are in or remain close to TF. We're after criminals, not fuck ups. He may have many other faults, I lived with him so I know, which have affected those close to me in negative ways. But that doesn't give me, I believe anyone, to try and ruin his life because of past grievances that have nothing to do with justice. His faults are common to any human. I don't like the guy but that's no reason to have his life exposed on TV with consequences that could ruin his life and those he does try to help. I don't think we're on a mindless path for justice against TF; not caring for those we affect on the way. If you have a problem with him then face him with it just like you would anybody else that's pissed you off.
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from a girl
Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 16:21

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I've known SY for over ten years now, been out of the group for the most part and all I can say is that he is a very good kind and generous man. He helped to make the transition of "leaving" much easier for me and countless other people. He is in no way creepy. If your looking for creeps your looking in the wrong place. I know for a fact that the young people living with him right now are happy and getting paid, all of them are ex's. He tries to help the people trying to leave by giving them housing food and a job until they get on their feet. By the way Jono is not in.
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From cool8pack
Monday, April 18, 2005, 00:09

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I have heard the same. Nice fellow, helpful and understanding of what it means to want to exit. Stop the witch hunt and get real guys(reply to this comment
From Shackled
Monday, April 18, 2005, 01:10

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"Nice fellow, helpful and understanding".

Not all of us can say the same of him. Those things you mentioned were targeted only towards those who did his bidding. (reply to this comment

from SeanSwede
Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 08:31

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Is Gerald Young a professor at The University of Akron?
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From mcfly
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:36

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No. SY is definitly not a professor. He has not even finished high school, or A levels, as they call them in the UK (reply to this comment
from Shackled
Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 01:42

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Show me a pic and I'll confirm it for you.
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From yellowman
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 07:46

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I lived with him for many years - send me a photo. (reply to this comment

from
Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 21:38

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Jonathan is no longer in The Family and has not been for awhile.
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From I like 'em young
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 07:48

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Jono is still in TF!!!! (reply to this comment
From C.
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 07:58

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Actually, he's not!! Where are you getting your information from?(reply to this comment

From I like 'em young
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:01

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YES HE IS!!!!! What makes you so fucking sure he isn't?(reply to this comment
From C.
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:03

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What makes you so sure? When's the last time you spoke to him? I just talked to him last week and he is definitely NOT in The Family!!!!(reply to this comment
From I like 'em young
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:10

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What is your definition of 'out of the Family'? If your still giving money to TF and living in one of there homes: YOUR STILL IN THE FAMILY!!!!!!!!!(reply to this comment
From C.
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:15

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Yes, I agree! But what if you are NOT giving money to The Family and are NOT living in a Family home? What does that make you? (reply to this comment
From yellowman
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:33

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Yes your right. However, Jono doesn't fall into this category. Jono still lives, for the most part, with his father (SY). He is still the simpleton he always was; he still supports the Family and, most of all, has/continues to lie to protect his father, who is responsible for countless acts of abuse and criminality. As for you, I can only guess from you zealous protection of the Young family, that you are Chia (?)
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From C.
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 08:53

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What abuse? If abuse in your books constitutes as sending you money when you can't pay your own hospital bills, rent or other basic needs then yes I guess you could say he is responsible for countless acts of abuse, Timmy. (Or is it Jun that you go by now?)
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From bobby
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 16:56

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If this is Timmy (Jun), wasn't it Steven Young who helped you. You seemed to be really close to Steve, always calling him and following him around across the world to India and living off of him? I really wonder what happened for you turn on steve like this. If you thought that he was a bad guy then why did you wait until now to start accusing him like this. Or were you just waiting until you got just a little bit more cash from him? I have many differences with Steve and some problems in the past but he does not deserve this. Don't get me wrong here I am all for bringing the pervs down and I have done and am doing something about the ones that I know about. But Steve's not one of them so lets let him be. (reply to this comment

From unbelieveable
Sunday, April 24, 2005, 06:44

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For all of those who don`t know Timmy aka Jun aka Patton, let me give you all alittle insight. I have heard he has started to come on this site and make absurd allegations and remarks about certain people with no substance other then an vendetta posing as a justified accusation! I feel these things should be addressed and and taken into consideration! this can be taken as hearsay but believe me it is all sadly true! Timmy is a liar a cheater and a criminal and most of all one of the biggest pervs I know! And I do believe this is the kind of person this site is dedicated to warn people about and expose!!.. he is wanted by police and law enforcement... owes money to countless people.. banned from several airlines also has extorted money from Family and Friends alike with little regard, dealt drugs in several countries, lies to just about everyone about almost everything that happens or happened in his pathetic life!!. I am sad I cannot go into more detail as it would be too much to write and would take forever to explain and go through. But for most people who know him well I am sure they can vouch for this. I still believe in casting the beam out of ones own eye before even thinkin about taking a shot at someone or ....something..anything for that matter. Lets not use words like "legal" or "justice" unless we ourselves really know what it means! (reply to this comment

From
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 09:27

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Abuses: denying us of our basic right to an education; exploiting minors (he uses underage kids as unpaid labors for his business, who are made to work up to 12 hours a day); exposing minors to an over-sexed environment; excessive and brutal punishments for small offences; strange and unusual punishments.

Criminality: he is in Japan illegally - he obtained his visa fraudulently on the pretext of working for a 'Oil company'; forging tax returns, annually, to renew his visa; dumping industrial waste (from his business) in public parks, beaches and streets; not paying income tax.

If you would like a more extensive list, you have only to ask.

At the end of the day, Stephen is not a big fish; he is just like every other simpleton in the Family, mindlessly following Berg & Zerby. He has no idea of the damage and hurt he's done to others.


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From cool8pack
Monday, April 18, 2005, 00:20

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What? Someone's a right cookie here and it ain't me! Smell the coffee!! And get real!!(reply to this comment

From cultkiller
Monday, April 18, 2005, 02:34

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I smell brownies.........(reply to this comment
From moneylender
Sunday, April 17, 2005, 18:26

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Sunday, April 17, 2005, 10:05

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