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Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 11:50
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Audrey,
I wanted to say something about your mmories of that spanking your brother got. You said:
"He gave him 100 swats. I counted them myself. I was 8 & my brother was only 5. I was too afraid to tell anyone."
If where you were was anything like where I was, not being too afraid to tell anyone would have been useless, since that kind of corporal punishment was in accordance with the Letters and the Standards. Wasn't it written somewhere that they should count out the swats and go to high numbers of swats if the kid did certain things?
About the sexual abuse I was subjected to, my mother has tried saying "if you were being abused why didn't you tell me." That kind of crap is what they tell us to try to make us think we were crazy or something. The adults' sexual predation on children was accepted and supported by the Letters at that time so it was not even "abuse." You don't report something that the person you're reporting it to doesn't consider abuse. Why the heck would anyone do that? For what? To get told how "unrevolutionary" and "selfish" you are??
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Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 11:43
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"When we all get to Heaven"
Oh my goodness. I hope I never have to be around my abusers again, even in so-called "Heaven." And if they can still go to Heaven with what they did, I don't know what in the world could keep someone from Heaven and I want no part in such a "Heaven."
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Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 07:13
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God will get HIS revenge for OUR sufferings??? I think it's clear to me and many others that during our sufferings he was taking a nap or eating a snack (a la the suggestions of Elijah to the prophets of Baal in the brown LWG)so what in the world makes anyone assume that he is going to suddenly take an active interest now??
God to me is a sadistic fuck who has a hell of a lot to answer for if he even exists. I think I'll take my chances on bitterness and other forms of self initiated revenge.
I have nothing against you personally or against the fact that you clearly believe in God but I just get so tired of hearing the same crap from Christians about trusting God to do the revenging for us--the same ones who are trusting God to absolve them of their sins just because they said a little prayer and "gave it to God".
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|  From Audrey
Monday, November 01, 2004, 16:13
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Jerseygirl
I'm all for taking someone to court if I can get ahold of the person etc.. I didn't mean that we should let the Lord do the revenging for us.Just in my case I have had a lot of things that have happened to me that I can't get any justice for, as it would too hard to prove & I would have a hard time going through all the that stuff again. I've missed things in my life & I'm sure a lot of you all have too. If I was to have been molested or anything of the sort, back then it would of been hard to report it being in the family; & the leaders not doing anything about it, much less believing you. But when I got out I would do something personally. Thankfully I never got any spankings after the age of ten & have never been sexually abused. Not saying it didn't happen because I 've heard lots of my friends tell me of their past & I've seen some kids get abused. I do consider myself to have been abued in other ways, as most people have in TF. There's the negilect of education,if you weren't spanked there were other forms of discipline they used like silence restriction for 3 months etc.. I feel that I am not self confident at times with myself, after having been put down a lot in TF, & suffer other things in my life even as an adult because of the things I went through pschologically. How could anyone let their kids go through that.
I hope I'm making sense, basically what I'm saying is I have suffered a lot in the Family & it would be hard to really take anyone to court over it all, but for those of you who have had obvious things happen to you like sexual abuse etc.. Then you have a good case. I would imagine it would be a hard case to make since we only knew the adults by their Bible names or just uncle & Auntie. But I hope that some people can get justice for how they were wronged in the past. When I hear of some stories of things that have happened to the kids in the Family, it gets me all emotional & angry that stuff like that happened & brings back memories I'd rateh forget. There are some people today that if I saw them I don't know what I'd do, but I 'd probably cuss 'em out.. Some people in the Family think that Oh it happened along time ago & blah blah blah. To me it doesn't matter if it happened along time ago. It's still wrong & people should be punished. I've heard too many stories & having had experienced a lot myself that I could never trust a family member to care for my kids.
If some of the things that some of you all have mentioned happened to me, hell I would of run away if I could. But it seemed like you were under lots of supervision. Heck not even being allowed to talk,that's insane. What the hell were the shepherds smoking? Crack Seems like TF has a lot of nut cases for leadership. I always wanted to cuss out my shepherds but I'd end up in the victors so I was afraid to as probably some of you were too.
Anyway, enough on that. It is nice to have this website to talk about things that have happened to us & how since leaving people are able to live happy & fulfilled lives. I have to admit that sometimes it can be discouraging to read some of these posts, but someone has to hear it & we can't ignore the past. Or push it aside as it never happened. Maria needs to acknoledge the ones who have suffered, but sad to say it ain't gonna happen. Seems she & Peter never give people who write them letters the benefit of the doubt that it did happen to them. Wish she could have been in our shoes. Maybe we should be able to get a chance to give our old "shepherds" a hard spanking & tell them to not cry or scream & let them know of how they hurt us. Give them a taste of their medicine. Anyway, I'm sure something will happen sometime.
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| | From Haunted
Monday, November 01, 2004, 20:18
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I think you totally missed the point of what she was saying.
Non-Christians (at least most exers I know) for the most part tend not to berate those of faith, thus we tend to feel as if we are constantly deluged by a Christian point of view when articles such as this one base their entire argument on the existance of one who we have deduced either does not exist or has no relevance to our lives.
In short, while I appreciate your point of view and believe everyone has the right to express theirs, I find it unecessary to place any responsibility for my actions or any revenge I hope to attain on any one individual or diety. (reply to this comment) |
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Monday, November 01, 2004, 17:59
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The Hare Krishna kids sued using the names they did know and some they didn't. For those they didn't know they sued "Defendant Does 1-30." For a defendant whose name they knew, they stated Defendant ___ with "address and whereabouts unknown."
The complaint says ""Plaintiffs are not aware of the true names and capacities, whether individual, corporate or otherwise, of defendants Does 1-30, inclusive, and therefore sue said defendants by such fictitious names."(reply to this comment) |
| | From Jerseygirl
Saturday, October 30, 2004, 07:19
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And furthermore I dont care if anyone on this board feels I am too harsh! People are STILL suffering! People have died! I just don't care anymore about wether anyone is moving on or getting over themselves. I am so fucking tired of dealing with all the damage in my own life and in the lives of those I love. I have a life, they have lives, we HAVE moved on, but it DOES NOT negate the overshadowing of pain and problems that will hang over us until who knows when! Please ,Please, dont tell me or anyone here anymore about a silly old God who has done NOTHING! NOTHING!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From moon beam
Saturday, October 30, 2004, 09:58
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Too right Jerseygirl, It's seriously shirking, call it it christian duty if you like, I call it my moral duty to persist in seeking to play a role in my imediate surroundings as well as looking at the bigger picture. I don't feel like I can leave change and justice to the Lord. Forgiving and forgeting seems a convienient loophole in christian retoric.
Audrey, I agree when you say you can do good in your daily lives. I think it's healthy to have something to strive for esp when you have been dealt a fucked up hand, you realise what the problems are and aim to fix it so that its not going to be the same again.
The way that christianity tells us over and over that only certain people are called to do great things for the lord, is IMO, misleading and puts people off believing that they too are capable of doing their bit.
I really think Jesus meant to say "if you have the WILL and put in the effort, you can move many mountains"
I hold by "Actions speak louder then words"
I hope those christians in the coming election vote against Bush, but unfortunatly they believe he is a man of god so it doesn't look good. They don't seem to be at the forefront of anything I would consider supporting, let alone highlighting cults and seeking to gain justice for a society they say is so evil, it's quite surprising that they don't realise that they can help much more, then praying. (reply to this comment) |
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Sunday, October 31, 2004, 11:41
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That is one of the wrongest statements I have ever read here. You sound like somebody who has either never seen a counsellor or who has seen one paid by whoever abused you. I have gone to lots of counsellign and read books on the subject and believe me, not only is that not "the only way forward," sometimes it's the fastest way to go even further back than when you started. When something along the lines of "forgiving and accepting" is a good idea, you'd better believe it's a heck of a lot more nuanced.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From lisa
Sunday, October 31, 2004, 12:25
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For someone whos gone to alot of counselling and read books (wow arent you clever) it doesn't seem to have done you much good. Any good counsellor should in fact be bringing you to a point where you do move on and continue your life. Hopefully better able to cope with both your past and your future. And just by the way if you have something to say use your own name, or are you still in counselling for your self-worth issues (reply to this comment) |
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