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Getting On : Lovers
Hey people! (lame intro, but hey it’s a start.) | from Cosmicblip - Thursday, August 30, 2001
accessed 4163 times WARNING!! Read all the "straight" MO letters you can after reading this!!! First off, I don’t use caps. It’s just quicker to type without them. Second, I’m a gay sga. I feel weird saying that. I was never an adult in the cult, but I guess because of age, I am one now. Right now I feel a little more loose on the subject (I’m drunk.) I too am interested in the “sga gay” story. I almost thought I was the only one.
For me, this story goes everywhere so it’s easier to answer questions. But I’ll give it a shot anyway.
Obviously, there wasn’t much (any?!) outlet within the cult for gay men, especially of the second generation. I overcame that by compartmentalizing. “it’s just sex & I can live without it,” worked very well & still does. It was a big reason for leaving the cult, but I would have left anyway.
Up until I was 8 my family was pretty independent & I had gone to public school for a year. I pretty much knew I didn’t want to be in the cult. It was just a matter of time until I was old enough to leave. The “cultic-ness” of it all didn’t strike until we moved to Japan. I was used to south Africa where we went to school & had fun, we even climbed trees (!!) & had tree houses!!!
Japan was a whole other story. Small houses & lots of witnessing, something I was never good at! Skip 13 years. My parents wanted to start their own home for a while & I knew that If they did I wanted to be there because it would mean distance from the cult, which would result in clearer thinking!! Finally, eventually, my parents got the chance & I joined them. From this point on (sept of ’97 [I think?]) I considered us BACKSLIDERS!!!
A little bit off the subject, but it’s some background. I seem to remember always being gay. Of course when you’re younger, sex usually (!!) doesn’t play much of a role in your life. I was one of the lucky ones that, because we lived alone, was not exposed to much of the pedophile crap that went on.
When I was about 16 my “demonic possession” started to become more prominent. You have no idea how many times I read “mama’s prayer for Magdalene(?)” thinking I could cleanse myself of this evil. the affection revolution & the charter didn’t do much to help either! I was so freaked out. Was I gonna have to force myself to have sex with a women just so people wouldn’t think I was self righteous? I know that doesn’t seem so bad, but how many of you straight guys would have had sex with another guy just to please some unseen sexaholic somewhere? I mean picture it, you & that guy over there… ok, maybe you get my point. And if it still doesn’t seem so bad, you have some unresolved issues.
i went to visit my grandparents in ’98 & during that time I decided that the demon wasn’t leaving & this is just the way I am. When I got back from my trip I had decided to approach my dad & let him know that the cult was not where I wanted to be. However, before I had a chance, he gave my whole family the good news that, sadly, we just did not seem to be “discipleship material.” Hmmm, he stole my idea.
At this point I had finally gotten internet access & had some chat friends that just happened to be gay! I had pretty much decided to come out to my parents but was still a little unsure of how they would take it. Then I changed my mind. i decided to move out first (all the way to the states!!) just in case. Although I never “officially” came out to my parents, they do know. I didn’t see why I would have to tell them “I’m gay” when none of my brothers & sisters had to tell them they were straight.
There weren’t many details in that, just a basic & long winded outline. There was a lot of mental crap that happened in all those years, but remember I’m drunk right now. I’ve been lurking here for a while & it finally seemed like a good time to contribute. I should hit the sack now. Talk to you later.
P.S. Jules, I must also congratulate you on this website. Very well done. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from solemn
Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 09:24
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It must have been interesting for you back then, being evil incarnate and all. I realize its 5 years later and perhaps you don’t come here anymore - but I was wondering how you were able to cope with the extremely negative perception TF would have had of you as a gay man/boy (Sorry I lost your age at the time in the drunken math). Did it affect your self image?
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| from Anthony
Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 16:21
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I don't think it's fair to classify all "non-gay-friendly" views as homophobic!
Regards,
Anthony
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|  From pharmaboy..
Tuesday, December 24, 2002, 03:53
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Agreed there Anthony, my opinion was far from a “die filthy faggot scum” remark.
It's already bad enough when you don't listen to what someone is saying, but not even READING someone's post before replying is offensive.
Is it something American the need to label everything? Next anyone with aversion to the US meddling will be labeled Quaedaphile.
Merry fucking christmas to everyone.
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| | from xhrisl
Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 08:14
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Enough already, tis the season to be jolly and cellibrate goodwill and joy to all.......Therefore i strongly recomend that we find a middle ground between homosexuality and hetrosexuality, I call this ground bisexuality. (please fell free to thank me for this solution to all of your problems).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Merciless
Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 21:03
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Would everyone shut the fuck up! Stop labelling for crying out loud!
Cosmicblip is my best friend. But I sure as hell don't think that makes all gay men great. They don't necessarily understand women better, they aren't necessarily intouch with their feminine side, they don't necessarily like anal sex, they don't always dress better, they aren't all make up artists, they don't all march in gay parades.
They aren't great, they aren't awesome, they aren't dirty, they aren't better looking, they are just people.
Plain old boring people, just like the rest of the world. Nothing fascinating to see, nothing fascinating to discuss. They aren't even a they. Not anymore than you and I are a they. People are individuals, and shouldn't be defined by their sexuality.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Auty agrees except . . .
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 23:01
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Actually, I have to say there is one incorrect statement in your comment: "Plain old boring people" IMHO, they are some of the funnest people I have ever party with, both male & female. My godfather is gay & is "married" to his significant other. They both wear wedding rings, but you wouldn't know it unless he told you that he was gay. He's probably one of the funniest people I know & one of the kindest.(reply to this comment) |
| | From 0369
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 21:34
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I also worked with Cosmicblip before, and he was the best co-worker ever, and so sweet. We were of course just friends, but we hung out on freedays, and we had tons of fun doing stuff together. He was definitely more considerate than some of my BFs I've had before. Cosmicblip, I hope you have a great Christmas! You are perfect just the way you are!! :)(reply to this comment) |
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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 13:42
| from Secret Admirer
Monday, November 25, 2002 - 14:48
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That's a bummer cuz I always fancied you ever since i was 11 yrs old.....gay guys have something quite sexy about them, they know women better then most men do.
Gay Men are intouch with their feminine side. The fact of the matter is all men have a feminine side to them but most are afraid to show it.
Not to mention the fact that they know how to shop and definately have the eye for beautiful things!
Well thats my 2 cents, I'm glad that you've come out let us know when u fine a soul mate.
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| | | | | | | | | | From I am a lesbian
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 20:51
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And I do shave my arms, legs, etc. I drink beer really fast, but I also drink wine really slow. I am sexy, and I don't give a damn about macho things. I do have a butch side, am not afraid to show it, but then again, I'm not afraid to show my feminine side either. Some lesbians suck. Some are ugly. Some are gorgeous. Some are nice. Some are mean. Some hate men. Some love men. We are women just like the rest of the women in the world. We are not by definition great, although some of us are quite great, like me! I am a lesbian, but the only thing that guarantees is that I like fucking women. Nothing else.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | from pharmaboy ranting again
Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:22
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Ok, so you're gay, fine I respect that. But what's up with you guys and gay pride marches? Was near Rome when there was the 2000 one, and in Joberg during the 2002 one... Really, "proud to be gay", "Queer nation", "proud to get cock up my ass". That's a personal, private choice. Not something to advertise. Now, if you get fired from your job because of yer queerness, it's likely you'll get a front page story on your local paper, condeming discrimination & wadda wadda. Fucking hipocrites!! If you, on the other hand, aren't gay, but a repsonsible drug user & you're open about your use, you'll get kicked out most schools, universities and most certainly most jobs. No matter if you are a model employee/citizen/student. How about a the drug user pride march? Top citizens "coming out of the closet" about their use, Thats when I'll believe in our great western open-minded society.
School
Professor:"you've made a great grade on your final math exams, you gonna have a nice pissup this weekend?"
Me: "Fuck alcohol, were doin' mushrooms tonight!"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Cosmicblip
Saturday, November 23, 2002, 00:15
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so you're stereotyping me with the rest of the gay population? i don't go to gay marches. personally, it almost seems like a step backward. heck, i don't like dance music, clubs & all the usual gay things. i can tolerate them for a while but then it just gets boring.
i don't think that hate crime legislation is totally necessary either. maybe as a first step it works, but in the long run a murder is a murder no matter who's been killed. south park made a good point on that.
i also think that some drugs should be legal but they would be treated like alcohol as far as addictions go & how it affects your life, job & all the rest.
you live in south africa, right? i'm from there. it was the first country in the world to have sexually oriented anti-discrimination in their constituiton. good for them.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From JoeH
Friday, November 22, 2002, 16:00
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I agree with you that being gay isn't really something to be bragged about, but I like to think that most of the people in these parades are just trying to make a statement along the lines of "Yes, we're gay, but we're not ashamed of it, and we're normal people just like everyone else."
And while you're comparing homosexuality and drug usage, I'd like to ask why you repeatedly brag about your drug usage? Even your name suggests frequent intoxication, and you repeatedly bash alcoholism.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From pharmaboy..
Monday, November 25, 2002, 08:04
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The relations between the 2 is that both are personal choices. The comparison with drugs and gays having gay pride marches and huge widely-media covered events is they're both ridiculous. A drug pride march would be just as ridiculous as the well-known gay pride marches. All that is needed for both would be free choice and no discrimination.
This is the internet, and pharma is my nick name on this site only, think of me however you want, all you know is what i feel like posting at the time.
Why I frequently discuss this subject? It's a typical example of widespresd misinformation and hype. "being gay is legal, drugs aren't". So if you would be living in, say, Germany, 50 years ago when homosexuality was illegal, would you see it as 'evil', or as a punishable offence? Your personal views on right and wrong need a stronger background than what's currently permtitted of not, or like christianity, human rights can be infringed upon from the interpretation of some unclear verse in the bible. What about 100 years ago when cocaine and heroin were sold legally over the counter, but homosexuality was unacceptable to most of society at the time. Did that mean that 100 years ago homosexuality was any more evil and heroin or cocain any less addictive then today? Of course not..(reply to this comment) |
| | From pharmaboy..
Monday, November 25, 2002, 07:59
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The relations between the 2 is that both are personal choices. The comparison with drugs and gays having gay pride marches and huge widely-media covered events is they're both ridiculous. A drug pride march would be just as ridiculous as the well-known gay pride marches. All that is needed for both would be free choice and no discrimination.
This is the internet, and pharma is my nick name on this site only, think of me however you want, all you know is what i feel like posting at the time.
Why I frequently discuss this subject? It's a typical example of widespresd misinformation and hype. "being gay is legal, drugs aren't". So if you would be living in, say, Germany, 50 years ago when homosexuality was illegal, would you see it as 'evil', or as a punishable offence? Your personal views on right and wrong need a stronger background than what's currently permtitted of not, or like christianity, human rights can be infringed upon from the interpretation of some unclear verse in the bible. What about 100 years ago when cocaine and heroin were sold legally over the counter, but homosexuality was unacceptable to most of society at the time. Did that mean that 100 years ago homosexuality was any more evil and heroin or cocain any less addictive then today? Of course not..(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Pharmaboy...
Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 02:00
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No, being gay is not illegal, it's an inborn mental disease, just like with some people the excessive tendency to take drugs which is caused by a chemical inbalance in the brain. Who cares if something is legal or not? That's far from a stable reference point on what's right or wrong, as is christianity.
Hell, I already explained myself in another post, but either you people don't understand english or you're so convinced or your own viewpoints of: " it's wrong, because it's wrong & everybody knows that, so shut up" you sound like my 80 yr old grandparents!
You left one cult to join another cult, the only difference is this one has alot more members. And like the family, they don't encourage thinking either.
Oh, of course anything with a slightly subversive slant to it is just old family hangups, right? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Just plain stumped
Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 11:27
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Do you live in South Africa? u must cause I've heard stuff like this only from South Africans, I'm not generalising but I've met a few that gave me the impression that they breed assholes down there.
Do they teach that its ok to be racist bigots in school or something? This kind of prejudice based on sexual orientation only demonstrates a lack of intellect.
The world is moving on my friend, Europe of the future is frank and accepting even encouraging of sexual diversity. Sex and love are non gender specific, the way we're going forward in our schools and television when my children reach sexual maturity the term "coming out" will be a thing of the past and I for one am perfectly happy to leave you behind in a small minded culture where sex and gender create nuclei of ostracized people on the fringes of society.
Your most likely quite young and I hope that in a matter of years when the hormones subside you will abandon your Berg-like left wing views and enjoy life by appreciating all its diversity.
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| | From pharmaboy..
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 11:41
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uhhh, retard, I'm not from the SA, I just happen to work here.
What to say about most of the views expressed here? If it sounds vaguely like berg, then it must be wrong, or just old hangups.
LOL, you obviously have trouble getting to terms with your cult years, I've been out 10+ years and my parents encouraged me to find interest in other idealisms and schools of thought unlike you.
I'm not the only one with these views, next you meet some random person on the street with some subversive ideas, what are you gonna do, yell:"help, it's the COG!!"? He probably won't even know who you're talking about...
Some exers surprise me with their stupidity and lack of originality, why try and fit in the cookie cutter shape of everyone else?
*start sarcasm*
I'm wasting my time here, gotta back to work with some nigger monkeys closing the financial year, maybe I'll teach them to add 2+2 by the 31st.
*end sarcasm*
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Anthony_YOU_are_the_proof
Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 14:04
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anthony, this is a well accepted reason to explain homophobia, hate crimes etc. Psychologists and researchers have come up with three main reasons why people are racist, homphobic etc. They are for psychological, economical and sexual reasons. Jesus, this is so elementary. You are free to attest these ideas, just please do so if you can come up with something better. We can sit here and critisize Neil Armstrong for not going to pluto and we can smirk at einstein for not solving world hunger but please lets not be like cave men reaching for the moon. And please reread this paragraph and really really try to use your little mind to grasp these concepts and analogies....I really don't like repeating myself (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From PompousJohn
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 08:30
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"common knowledge in human psychology" is not exactly a solid rock to base conclusions on. 50 years ago homosexuality was considered mental illness in most of our “civilized” countries, and this also was common knowledge.
BTW, Homosexuality does have something in common with drug use and prostitution, (someone said they were in no way related) and this is that society’s objections to them are based on aging concepts of biblical morality, which will undoubtedly change. Homosexuality has made great strides to find it’s place in society, and yes the pendulum does seem to have swung a bit radically in the opposite direction at times, but I am sure that balance will follow.
I think the main reason that drug use and prostitution are still illegal in most places is that they are businesses that pay no taxes, and this cannot be countenanced in a society where law abiding-citizens pay so dearly for their “freedom”.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From pharmaboy..
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 11:26
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exactly, PJ. That's what I went through all the trouble of explaining TWICE here. Both taboos are based on misconseptions, but these stupid fucks that accuse me of stereotyping gays then classify me as a homophobic conservative asshole. So much for being openminded, get back in the cult where you belong, the whole lot of you, Fucking ignorant pricks! Or go to another discussion board and learn to READ a post before answering it.
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| | From JP M
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 09:42
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I don't recall where in the bible it talks about drugs.
And, I think the reason they (prostitution and drug dealers) don't pay taxes is because they are illegal, not the other way around, it would be kinda silly for some columbian drug lord to go down to his local tax office and declare his 50 million net last month.(reply to this comment) |
| | From PompousJohn
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 10:39
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The bible doesn't specifically talk about cocaine and marijuana, but is generally down on alcohol, the only drug it does mention. I read long ago in a family publication I can’t remember the name of that the “Wizards” the Old Testament demanded be put to death were shamans who used herbs to alter their perception of reality, and this was meant to convince the reader that marijuana was “unbiblical”. Like most family doctrine, the logic is frail at best but my point about biblical morality stands and we all know that biblical morality often has little to do with logic or even the bible itself.
I read also on the back of a “Cypress Hill” album cover (again, hardly a reputable source for factual information, and again, I can’t remember which album) that marijuana was first declared illegal in the United States as part of something called the “stamp act”, and that the reasons were purely economical, there was no concern about health risks, addiction or morality at all.
It seems that there are many legal, pharmaceutical drugs on the market (not to mention alcohol in it’s many forms and cigarettes) with far worse effects than some of the popular recreational drugs which have so far not been proven to be terribly harmful, in fact the biggest danger attached to their use is the danger of jail time and a criminal record. (Of course I’m not talking about hard drugs here) But pharmaceutical, alcohol and tobacco industries pay such heavy taxes that governments are willing to turn a blind eye on the dangers they represent to society, the addictiveness of their products, and the behavior patterns associated with long term use of these products.
But really my point is that all of these things are only harmful to the people who do them, and as consenting adults in a free society they should ideally be able to fuck their own lives up to their heart’s content without fear of going to jail on top of it.
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| | From JP M
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 11:00
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True, I didn't mean to get into the morality of it, nor the logical reasoning. I truely believe that the governments should just ban tobacco all together, instead of just banning ads and taxing it to death (a pack of cigs in Australia is $10) if it is so bad for us.
I did read a report that marijuana does more damage to your lungs for a couple of reasons: It's not regulated, so certain levels are not controlled, and to get a stronger effect, the smoke is inhaled deeper and held in longer to lengthen its effect. This doesn't mean it is worse of on its own, but it the context it is used and produced today, I don't think it is any "better" than tobacco.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From neez
Friday, November 22, 2002, 14:30
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20 years ago it was probably worse than illegal to be gay. (Gay bashing etc..)
Give it another 20 years & a comment like 'drugs are bad mmkay kids' will probably qualify as severe discrimination. The equivilant of saying 'gay's are bad'.
Then again, maybe it isn't so much a personal choice for them. But then again, maybe the drug user feels the urge to get high just as strong as the average gay/bi/curios feels the urge to get a cock up him..(reply to this comment) |
| | From I_agree_with_sougly
Sunday, December 15, 2002, 10:59
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Ummmm neez. One little hole in your point. Drugs can be a dangerous substance, being gay is a biological trait. You might want to examine the differences and then rearrange your views on discrimination. And speaking of discrimination you sound pretty homophobic yourself. Might wanna work on that before you notice that all your friends are stinkin yahoos. NEWS FLASH: Homophobia is so 90's (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From neez
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 20:35
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Although my comment really had nothing to do with anyone's views on discrimination. But if u must know, as always, I take people as they come (even more so in real life)straight, gay, bi, or curios.
Unfortunately the handful of gays I've worked with have generally all turned out to catty two faced female-dogs. But I'm used to it now..(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from xhrisl
Friday, November 22, 2002 - 02:45
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Hoorah for sexual diversity! As one of my favorite authors Anne Rice once wrote "you can love either a man or a woman, it doesn't much matter---so long as it is love."
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| | | | | | | from Conqueror of Uranus
Friday, November 22, 2002 - 01:17
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Off the subject a little, but didn't Berg write in one of the purged MO letters that he cocksucked and whacked off Timothy Comfort. He said something like, if it's done in love, and unto the pure all things are pure. Apparently this caused a wave of homosexuality in the Family, which was one of the main reasons it was purged.
Anyone else know about this?
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| From porceleindoll
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 01:13
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There was the letter, in the 600s I think, called Homos, I can't remember it clearly because I was young when I read it, the first time around 8yrs., but the impression I had was that it seemed to not exactly encourage homosexuality, but then not discourage it, but the thought was that 'if it's done in love it's not of sin', same justification used for FFing, but I believe the letter ended with not approving of homosexuality. I don't remember anything about Timothy Concerned but can ask around.(reply to this comment) |
| | From porceleindoll
Friday, December 20, 2002, 18:40
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OK, here's some unsubstantiated facts concerning Berg, homosexuality and Tim. Concerned and another person, Clay. Just to state, this is not coming directly from Clay, Berg or Timothy C. so it is not 100% truth, but is what one person heard from Clay, I believe and relayed the story to me.
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PD, here's the story about Berg's supposed homosexual adventure. Berg had a cook called Clay on staff who later was reproved for being in a gay relationship with another brother. This came out in Family pubs. So you can see that Clay might have a bias in relating any "gay incident" about Berg. But here's the story: Clay says he came into the downstairs kitchen of Berg's home early one morning and there was Timothy Concerned sitting alone in the kitchen, slumped in a chair and looking devastated. Clay says when he asked what was the matter, Tim replied, "Dad just did a blow-job on me!"
I think it's very possible this happened. Berg did tell Maria in one Mo Letter to go into Timothy's bedroom at 3:00 AM and have sex with him and told her to make real loud noises so Berg could come to the door and listen to them having sex. He also told her to leave the door open a crack so Berg could stand there and hear. So Berg had that voyeurism about Timothy & it's possible he was fantasizing sex with Timothy and finally did it one drunken day.
But considering that Clay is gay and didn't like that Berg later reproved him in a Family pub for it, did Clay have a possible motive for making up a story? Yes. On the other hand, Berg was unusually gentle with Clay. You couldn't even call it a rebuke. Clay had left Berg's home and got in a homosexual relationship with another brother and was under the impression that since Berg knew about it but wasn't saying anything about Clay's gay relationship, that he approved of it. But in Clay's published letter he said that he had received a letter from WS stating that Berg did not approve but had just been having patience with him to change.
I guess the obvious question is, if Berg was experimenting with gay sex and had a gay cook, why wouldn't he have gone after the cook? Clay's story may be true but unless he comes on the board and verifies it, it's hard to say. -- P.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Mercy
Friday, July 19, 2002 - 05:00
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Dude! You knew about this site since August 2001 and you didn't tell me about it??? Poo on you! ;p
You didn't mention anything about having to chase a bunch of girls off with a stick while you were still in the closet (ie. me)! Thankfully I got over you dude, and now am happily engaged to my girlfriend. Would you consider me a fag hag? I'm curious. I really hate fag hags but since you're my best friend do I qualify as one? Ugh. I hope not.
I'm really glad so many people are bi around here. Rock on Jules! I'm coming to your town, you gotta take us around to all the lezzie bars.
K, that's all I had to say. Laters. M
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Monday, September 03, 2001 - 15:23
| from Jules
Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 21:53
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I really admire your courage and self-awareness. To be true to who you are under duress is not an easy thing. Accepting and being proud of who we are is a long road for many of us, with all the self-depreciation that we internalized growing up. I can only imagine how difficult growing up in the ultimate homophobic environment must have been.
I have two gay male friends who grew up in very strict Christian homes. One is the son of a minister, who's father disowned him when he "came out" as a young teen. For both of them, their religious upbringing has been the hardest things to overcome, (not faith, but the homophobic crap). Do you mind if I ask you about this? Do you still consider yourself "a believer"? How did you/do you work through these issues?
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| From Cosmicblip
Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 19:31
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i do not consider myself a believer. i’m that cat that sat on a hot stove. basically, i came to terms with it all by looking at everything in a very basic way. once i got the religious preconception out of the way, i looked at myself as an animal.
as an animal, there are no moral codes; i do what i need to do to survive. right & wrong are dictated by the current trends of the society that i live in. animals are not judgmental beyond what affects them personally.
our version of discrimination, is somewhat learned & somewhat just a product of our brains wanting to organize things. we find things that are different all the time, but different doesn’t mean wrong. we tend to be afraid of things we don't, or can’t understand, (fear of the unknown) and like some people, who shall remain nameless, we make fun of it because it makes us feel better, or because we have nothing to do, because everyone always thinks they’re normal until they find out there is no such thing.
or heck, maybe i’m just a glitch in nature, or a pre-emptive method for population control. but every time you’re talking with someone, are you busy visualizing their sex life? i mean it’s just as gross to imagine (or in our case see) our parents or brothers or sisters or even friends having sex. i mean, some of them are fat, or have hairy backs!!! ewww!! you can't let that run your life.
pretty much it comes down to that. hope that somehow answered your question.
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| | | | | From Hobbit
Monday, November 25, 2002, 08:15
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Cosmicblip it takes a lot of courage to come out of the closet. you should be very proud of yourself. and regarding all the stupid comments posted against homosexuality just comes to show that many even thought had left TF , they still carry the same homophobic ideas that where taught, or are still taught in TF. I have many gay & lesbian friend, and the truth is, that who they sleep with is a matter of choice & personal. It's nobody's business.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From sarafina
Friday, November 22, 2002, 12:25
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You know this is one of the best explanations I've read in a long time. So much truth to it. If I could learn to not organize things in my mind so much and think more like an "animal", with no moral codes (to some extent, I'm not talking about running around and killing people for food.lol) but do what I need to do to survive and not dictate my life by the current trends of the society that I live in and do what affects me personally. I think I'd be a much happier person. In my case I think I worry to much about everyone else's happiness around me. kinda like that song we used to sing "I just want to make everyone happy... I don't want to make anyone sad" I think after so many years of seeing so many sad things I just don't want to be part or the cause of someone's unhappiness but because of this I think I lose a little to much of myself and my own happiness. Ok I think I'm getting a little off the track now of what your post was about maybe I just applied it to my life a little differently.lol But I just want to say "good points"
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| | | | | From Jules
Saturday, September 08, 2001, 16:31
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Thanks, yes it did.
I would agree completely that discrimination and prejudice are learned behaviours. Although I do know that prejudice is still alive and kicking, I think that people of our generation (in general) are a lot more accepting and open minded about things, and hopefully that will continue into the next generation as well. Attitudes and perceptions do change over time. People once thought it was okay to own slaves.
I was quite surprised when I left the Family to learn that 10% of the population is gay. That's a pretty big "glitch". Another statistic that I found very surprising too is that 48% of males and 14% of females have had at least one homosexual experience in their lives. And these studies were done back in 1948 and 1953. (Yes, I know there is debate over the methodology, etc.) My point is that as society progresses I think our moral codes will stand against hate and intolerance and not someone's sexual preference.(reply to this comment) |
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Thursday, September 13, 2001, 17:57
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Come on, that 10% statistic is obvious bullshit. If you've studied statistics at even the lowest level you'd realise that your statistic is only as representative as your sample. Due to the nature of this "study" (Kinsey wasn't exactly your average man-on-the-street) the sample would be inevitably skewed, even if it wasn't already hopelessly contaminated (e.g. convicted sex offenders).(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From fsck
Monday, September 17, 2001, 13:50
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Take a look around...unless you live in Brighton there just aren't that many homosexuals. 10% would make one in ten people homosexual. That plainly isn't the case...out of the hundreds (thousands) of people I am aquainted with (I'm not speaking of people within the big F, either), I only know a few to be deviant. Of course, there are a few more around who I would not tie my shoelaces, but nowhere near the 10% figure.
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| | | | | | | | From Jules
Monday, September 17, 2001, 23:31
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That sure is an objective study.
I'm sure the fact that you call gay people "deviant" and don't want to "tie your shoelaces" around them has no effect on what they may or may not say. Not everyone is a queen or butch.
It's probably closer to 15% of my acquaintances who are openly gay. Many other people (whom I would consider straight) have told me about homosexual experiences they have had.
My point is that saying something is "believable" is a bit absurd. Sexuality is a private matter, and people generally keep it that way. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Cosmicblip
Thursday, October 25, 2001, 00:26
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my dear boy, you are far from normal. but even then, why would you want to be?
if you want to live in a medium sized house, drive an "ok" car & have a job that pays "ok", not be the brightest (or dullest) bulb in the bunch, never do anything oustanding, i won't stand in your way. i need all the room i can get for everything that i wanna do. in fact, i hope you're normal so that i will be all the more outstanding & have a life filled with strange, obscure, interesting things. i mean, who ever compliments you on being normal?
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| | | | | From se7says
Thursday, January 10, 2002, 20:36
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Dont know where fsck lives but here in London (which I believe is representative of most cities of comparative economy and size)gay men and women make up in eccess of 5% throw bi in there on a weekend in W1 and we'll hit something nearer to 20% (The Guardian). Like what you like and leave it at that cause frankly using stats as ammo in a sexuality debate is unintelligent.
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| | | | | | | | from EyesWideShut
Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 19:21
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Thanks for that, J. When I found out about your persuasion, I was so happy for you (I didn't find out from your parents). You must feel sooo much better now that you're able to be yourself. I know of another former aquaintance, half Japanese, that also "discovered" himself about the same time as you did. You know who I'm talking about?
I've been hanging out with my sis and her gads of gay friends (performers at Tokyo Disneyland), and it's the first time I've ever gotten to know a gay person--like, actually communicate with one. I feel so comfortable around them, they're so willing to discuss the matter and educate you on anything you want to know, and we have so much fun. Getting to know them has made me enraged at the idea of some people's SRness toward them (man do I know some guys that are homophobic)! Until recently I have never been able to empathize with the "men-loving-men" thing, but I think I'm getting the idea. Basically, love has no boundries. Duh! Appearantly, too, recent research has showed that being straight or gay is pre-determined by the amount of a certain chromazone. I'm not the expert on all of this but I will say that, so far gay men are some of the most natural and genuine people I know. I think it's because they all have to face their biggest "fear" sooner or later (coming out or just admiting to themselves), where most people go some, most, or all their lives carring their "fears" around, and/or covering up their "real selves" to some extent. To be honest, being around these guys makes me question a lot of stuff. All in all, good for you!
P.S. If I ever get "rich and famous" my makeup artist has got to be a gay man. They're the best! And I'll tell you my theory on that since I know you're just dying to hear it (not): For females, makeup is a functional and necessary concept, but to guys it's solely a thing of art and beauty. They display much more inventiveness. I know, I'm speaking very generally so this doesn't apply to everyone. But it's worth a thought, ey?
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| | | | | | | | | | from Cosmicblip
Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 04:01
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ok, there were some caps in that, but i used to ms word to compose it. i had nothing to do with them. they were added automatically!!! ;-)
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| | | | | | | From out of the closet
Sunday, November 17, 2002, 14:18
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i posted this in another section.....but then realized it should've gone in here.....oops!
So anyway here it is again.
My job invloves having to deal with quite a few sleazy/creepo men........in a sense it's good to be able to know how to tell them that you mean business.......and that i won't stand for any nonsense......and the best part about it is they have no choice but to listen or get thrown out.
A few years ago i started flirting with bisexuality........and lately as a result of my job i'm starting to dislike men more and more......after seeing what they're all ultimately and inevitably after. I don't know if it also has anything to do with my upbringing in the Family....but i find that i'm just not as attracted to men as i once was. Although i seem to have no problem attracting them to me....i have a hard time taking it any further than sex. On the other hand, i find women absolutely fascinating!!!!:)
All my close friends are aware of my being bi..........and so far most of them have been cool about it.....except for one......i lost my best friend after telling her about my sexual preference.
I'm just wondering if any of you guys OR girls have had similar experiences since leaving the Family?
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I have an uncle who was in the Family for about 1 yr back in 70 something......but was thrown out for being gay. He is the sweetest man on earth....and is by far a better person than his hateful homophobic brother....a.k.a my father!(reply to this comment) |
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