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Getting On : Catching up
Mandela? Milosevic? Winston Churchill? | from Bella - Wednesday, December 04, 2002
accessed 9003 times I'm intersted .... If you could meet one political figure (current or previous), who would it be? Why? |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Eric Cartman
Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:18
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Memorizing assignment for GG.
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. - Proverbs
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. - Proverbs
It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way. - Proverbs
Now go and work on your NWO's while kissing the wall with your panties down to your ankles so I can whip you with a spatula, you penis-faced pea-brain. Oh, you can't get angry at me you X-ian looney, "Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye." Yes, yea though I poke you in the buttocks with a thistle thou shalt do me no evil, for thou art a X-ian. Nana-nanana
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| | | | from neez
Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 18:40
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This thread is obviously past its use by date. Can someone just shoot it and put it out of its misery?
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| from GoldenMic
Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:02
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I would like to meet President Bush, because I am fascinated at the processes of power and what effect it has on one's world-view and sense of self. I recognize that most of the people here are anti-conservative, and I think that's somehow consistent with being an ex'er, with an underlying rejection of rigid value systems, but for some reason it turned out different for me. At my cult, the prophet and elders were all classic Rooseveldt (sp?) Democrats, anti-big business, and I think my current Republicanism is my own rejection of my past.
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| from GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 16:42
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You people are morons who can't get over the famcult. Still indoctrinated by berg, still hate America, support terrorist ideology, and just copycat each other because you have no mind of your own. Get a grip and move on.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |  From tuneman7
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 11:02
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Hillary won´t get voted in.
I have several friends who were Poly Sci majors and they tend to agree with me.
The issue is that hardly any East coasters who can be painted as elitist have much of a chance.
All the dems who have won tend to have a little bit of that ¨Good old boy¨tinge to them which help them to get the desperately needed votes in the Southern States, I.E. Clinton, Carter etc. ...
I hope she wins, but I don´t think she will.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 10:34
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Your not serious. If you are you should be shot. We had a just cause to go to war. Taleban were hiding Bin Laden who orcestrated the 9/11 attacks. if I remember iraqis were involved somewhere too. ok there were no WMDs. so what. Saddam would've butchered the Kurds like flies if we didn't step in, and he would've made WMD's if he didn't have them. its partly his fault for making us think he had WMD's so we'd be scared to attack him. The war against terror is about preemptive measures. its too late after theres a plane stuck in your tower. you stop it before it becomes a threat. you stop them before they teach people to be muslem extremists. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From What a tard
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 10:55
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"if I remember iraqis were involved somewhere too." You obviously dont remember, Binladen was in Afganistan.
"he would've made WMD's if he didn't have them" Pure speculation.
"his fault for making us think he had WMD's" You sound like a wife beater.
"you stop it before it becomes a threat." Would you break your kids fingers they never have the possibliity to fight.
"The war against terror" The war is terror1(reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 11:07
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you are so frigging extreme!! I can't find the article in my scrapbook, but the CIA found some connection between iraq and al-qaeda. This was way before the war in iraq.
glad you aren't president. You would be busy attending funerals everyday, because you think a terrorist isnt a terrorst until his bomb blows. If he thinks he wants to blow up Americans and knows how, he's a threat that we need to keep an eye on. once he buys a bomb then you take him out. once he starts looking to recruit more terrorists you take him out. The war against terror is needed. Some of the things we do, and will have to do including torture and assasinations are neccesary to protect the American way of life.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 11:20
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STFU chicken shit unamerican quisling morons ass. Unlike you people I keep track of what happens in my country. and out. between keeping a job and being a single parent I can't always read everything the first time. if it catches my eye it goes in the folder so I can read it at home. how does that make me a loser? get a life.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Friday, January 13, 2006, 02:46
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I'm not against the fact that a woman can become president. Nothing wrong with that. Just because theres provision in the law doesn't mean we need to go out of our way to find a shithead dem bitch who can't keep her eye on her own hubby and make her president. The world would be laughing at us, and we'd be invading north korea instead of iraq because she's missing a chocolate bar. I don't think a lady will get elected for a long time. The dems won't make a lady candidate unless the Republicans do, and we won't for a while longer. When we do have a lady president, she'll be a republican.(reply to this comment) |
| | from neez
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 19:02
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I'd like to meet Bush.
btw approximately how many years would one get for punching a US president in the fuckin face?
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| | | | | | | | | | from Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:56
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Genghis Khan- arguably the greatest warlord
Robert E Lee- arguably the most honourable figure
Hannibal Barca- undoubtedly the greatest soldier
Vlad Tepes- quite likely either the most ruthless ruler, or just the biggest psychopath in history
Aleister Crowley- Perhaps it's saying too much to say he laid the foundations the post-functionalist world that followed the war, but his influence on popular culture is unmistakeable.
Desmond Tutu -my aunt had him as a guest speaker at her church in Picadilly, and when an atheist came up to him and said that although he profoundly admired Archbishop Tutu, he was a confirmed Atheist, Tutu replied 'then I hope that you are a good one'. If there is a God, a part of him most definitely resides in that man.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Jesus Crust
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 22:56
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"I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt"
"Thou shall have no other gods besides Me"
"Thou shalt not swear falsely by the name of the Lord"
"Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"
"Honor thy father and your mother"
"Thou shall not kill"
"Thou shall not commit adultery"
"Thou shall not steal”
"Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
"Thou shall not covet your neighbor's house"
“Thou shall not use the Craigslist term “Fucktard” anywhere but on craigslist”
Other than that, thou art cool brother AndyH!
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| | | | | from Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 04:23
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Previous:
Sun Tsu
Emperor Hirohito
Jesus Christ
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| from Chivas Regal
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 01:33
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1. I would meet Kennedyto ask who shot him.
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| from ESJ
Monday, January 09, 2006 - 22:42
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(I don't where to slide in this comment in the debate below, so I'll just stick it here.)
My thoughts when reading the extremist rhetoric of this GC character is: boy, don't they sound just like a 'cultee'?
If one studies the findings of behavioral scientists who have studied and researched cult mind control and the cult mindset, it pretty much comes down to the bottom line that anyone who holds extremist 'black and white', 'fundamentalist-type' views, where one leader is revered and others outside the 'chosen arena' are villified, and age-old texts are quoted as if they carry some sort of 'divine authority', - whether the ideology being upheld is that of a religious movement, a corporation, or a country, - they're in 'the cult mindset'.
Experts say that 'extreme patriotism' is the seed of terrorism, regardless of what country the extreme patriot is from, including the good ol' US of A. Because it justifies acts of aggression against those the patriot deems 'unchosen' or 'unworthy' because of their nationality, race or creed.
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| From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:27
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Patriotism is definately NOT the see of terrorists. terrorism is rooted in the jealous and fanatic ideology of islamic extremity. It's a bunch of allah worshipping camel fuckin beggars who are too lazy to work for themselves blaming their poor conditions on western capitalist democracies. The arabs just blame the fact that they are shit poor on whoever has more money. Well some just get manipulated by their muslem preachers.
You make black and white sound like a bad thing. There can be no grey in the war against terror. A spade is a spade. Theres no 2 ways around it.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Fist
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 17:46
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You really must go to school my friend or else learn to read. I recommend the ladybird although it might be a little over your head. Peter may be a British Terrorist. Oh no wait hes white and we all know that Terrorists are 'arabs' dont we? Thats pretty black and white. It makes infinite amounts of logic that Peter and Jane are fun loving Blackpool migrating British citizens. A white man is a white man and a black man is a black man. Black is Satans colour... Boogy Boogy Boogy Boogy!!!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Saturday, January 14, 2006, 01:30
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And even if that comment is discounted, you supplied more than an adequate flow of other racist remarks to condemn you with. Or do you think it's racism if it's aimed at black, but not so if aimed at Chinese, Japanese, Russians or Arabs?
Why did you even leave the Family? You're just an endless flow of shit. Even your own ilk must be ashamed of you. You're about the worst spokesman for conservatism I have ever heard, you illiterate uneducated ignorant plonker. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Friday, January 13, 2006, 04:44
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They do not have alot of really good reasons to be murdering Americans! Whos side are you on?
Of course sometimes American policy is not in the best interests of other countries thats the way it should be. American policy should be what is best for America and we use diplomacy to help other countries see how it can benefit them as well. We've been fighting oppression ever since we've been around so yes I can say that we've been pretty nice. We didn't have to save your european asses from hitler, and if we didn't you'd all be living in a not so free world. We fought a war against communists dictators and terrorists. it will take time before people realize that we've done a lot of good.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Nefarious Nosferatu and the Mystic Mefist
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 00:58
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LOL, should visit Dubai man. They got shitloads of money there. Last time I checked, the country with the largest Muslim population was in Southeast Asia. There are extremists (Or so considered by either side) with the threat of conducting acts of terror for reasons other than being "shit poor arabs", in countries such as...
USA, Australia, Germany, Spain, United Kingdom, Turkey, Japan, Indonesia, Solomon Islands, Sri-Lanka, Philipines, Uganda, Congo DR, Sudan, Tunisia, Rwanda, Russia, Nigeria, Mozambique, Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Serbia, Zimbabwe
That's just off the top of my head.
P.S. If TF decided to go homicidal, then we can prolly add another 50 countries to that list.
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| | | | | From Oddman
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:39
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Aum Shinrikyo (Supreme Truth).
Perpetrators of the 1995 Tokyo Subway Sarin gas attacks, and also responsible for the Matsumoto city Sarin gas attacks as well. The Matsumoto City attacks left 7 dead, while the Tokyo Subway gas attacks left 12 dead. Over 5,000 were affected by the gas. They also murdered a lawyer, and had ties with Yakuza groups. After their guru was arrested, they they changed their group name. Much like another cult we all know, they still live in communes, and treat their "Royal family" in a special way. They run a few businesses in Tokyo. I'm not sure what happened to their Russian branches. They are still considered a threat, and are carefully watched by the authorities.
In my opinion, DPRK abductions of Japanese persons is also a form of terrorism.
We also have Nationalistic Yakuza clans, and Rightwing militias. Thanks to stringent law enforcement, these groups don't have much of an arsenal, but do have good funding and support from politicians.
Did you forget there are Al-Qaeda fighters from down under?
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| | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 19:01
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Absurdity piled on Absurdity! It never ends!!
I'm sure Timothy McVeigh thought he was a patriot. Terrorism is not the exclusive preserve of Arab peoples - how can I make the bloody obvious clear to you? Terrorism is an establsihed political institution which history is not confined to Islam, even extremist Islam.
The Arab states are very far from shit poor. They provide you with most of the petroleum that you so enjoy at a cheap price. The populations of Arab states are angry because of the huge disparity between the oil-controlling monarchies that profit from the sale of oil, and because of the political consequences of the last hundred years of western imperialist intervention in the region,which irreverently carved up the countries of the middle East for the benefit of a few oil-hungry and strategically interested western powers.
The whole definition and distinction of Terrorism and the fight against it is the unprecedented ambiguity of it. Grey areas would include contravening (perhaps necessarily) the Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners, or using covert and subversive tactics like assassination of dangerous enemies.
Terrorism is the exploitation of the psychological effects of violence to effect a political, not military, end. To that end, nearly every nation in the world has utilised it, including yours and the nations of your allies. There is absolutely no black and white here, and if you think that you need to examine your persepective. (reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 04:02
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Terrorists are not POWs and are not criminals. The Geneva convention doesn't need to apply. If its neccesary to mildly interogate one iraqi terrorist to save the lives of many American soldiers, then we should go ahead. At least the interogation in iraq was just humiliation. Its not like we hacked them up and poked them with needles. Saddam was guilty of full scale torture. We stopped that.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Nefarious Nosferatu and the Mystic Mefist
Friday, January 13, 2006, 09:49
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A torturing B.
B torturing A.
How is either worse than the other. From a moral standpoint, it makes no difference.
Of course from the "real world" viewpoint, I suppose its totally different.
When you torture their soldi... eh "terrorist combatants" its "necessary" to protect your fellow Americans. Of course "They" torture your soldiers for no such reason. "They" are simply sick, inhumane, and perverse.
I mean, the people shooting at you are really the "bad guys". There is not a chance in hell they think, "Those Americans shooting at us are bad guys".
Oh no, they are terrorists. They think like Hector Con Carne or Dr. Evil. They must sit in their caves laughing Mwahahahaha, while making remarks like "lets kill the good guys" and "Evil rules". Of course all of this subversive hush hush talk is in wannabe Arab sounding-ish english.
Does it ever occur to the extreme rightwing/facsist mind of yours that the people (yes people) have lives of their own. Imagine if Iraq had been bombing the USA for years. What if you saw photos of American POWs tied up and abused by Iraqis? Imagine if someone suddenly decided to put a wall between New York and New Jersey, and you had to be frisked before you could go to work? What if Native Americans suddenly pushed you out, because "this was our fathers lands" and Mexico pushed the border north? What if...Just imagine, you weren't the toughest kid on the block anymore. Do you get the gist? People Vs. People? Humans Vs. Humans?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 03:58
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Terrorism is any act of terror attempting to scare or frighten American democracy or our allies, our people and our way of life. It can have both political, and military purpose. The USA have never been involved in terror attacks. I dare you to name just one such case where the USA has used terrorists for military or political purpose.(reply to this comment) |
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Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 06:47
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Read a little.
"In reality, the office worked as an arm of the covert operation led by Lt. Col. Oliver North, the Reagan administration National Security Council official who directed a network of ex-military and CIA officials, Cuban counterrevolutionaries and mercenary gangsters to supply, train and supervise the contras. Reich’s office essentially utilized the methods of propaganda and psychological warfare associated with CIA operations abroad, and turned them against the American people in an attempt to sway public opinion on US policy in Central America.Reich was responsible for floating false news reports to justify US aggression against Nicaragua.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/reic-n24.shtml
American terrrorism
http://www.robert-fisk.com/american_terrorism.htm
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http://www.doublestandards.org/usmurder.html
"It is a mini-encyclopedia of the numerous un-humanitarian acts perpetrated by the United States since the end of the Second World War.
This list of nations represents literally millions of human beings all over the world who have been brutally murdered directly by the United States government/military or by its obedient proxies. Huge though the list is, there is yet more to add. It does, however, contain the most well-known campaigns of American state terrorism, genocide and subversion – all of which are in the historical record for the whole world to see. But God only knows what evil the U.S. government and military have committed that remains hidden."
And as long as the United States remains a military power the list of state terror victims will keep growing.
1948 - Present
American/Israeli State Terrorism of the Palestinian People
Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people
From the very beginning of the State of Israel in 1948 the Israelis have committed mass-murder and terrorization of the Palestinian people. In addition, Israelis torture Palestinian prisoners in jail on a routine basis. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the mainstream American mass-media for 53 years.
In 1982 after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Israeli racist Ariel Sharon was the primary authority behind the massacres at the Shatilla and Sabra refugee camps in which over 1000 helpless Palestinian women, children and civilian men were murdered in cold blood.
The United States government pours billions of your tax dollars into Israel every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do things it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American state terrorism.
1960s - Present
American Support for Colombian State Terrorism of the Colombian People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 67,000 people
Under the guise of aid for "counternarcotics" operations, the U.S. Corporate Mafia Government is supplying weapons, training, troops and $1.3 billion to its apprentices in the Colombian military. The real purpose of all this aid is to support the government's massive political oppression of the Colombian people. It's Vietnam all over again.
Colombia is the most violent country in the world. The vast majority of the terror is committed by the U.S.-supported military and right-wing paramilitary forces – who are heavily involved in cocaine production and smuggling. They have tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people in trade unions and left-wing movements, including many human rights activists and grassroots organizers.
See also:
U.S. Terrorism of the Central American, South American and Caribbean Peoples
1991 - Present
American/British State Terrorism of the Iraqi People
Estimated total civilian deaths: at least 200,000 people directly from the 1991 terror campaign;
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people since then from the combined effects of depleted uranium poisoning, polluted water and sanctions.
Like the terrorization of the entire civilian population of Yugoslavia, the so-called Gulf "War" was in fact a cowardly, high-tech slaughter, a total mismatch of military power. 177 million pounds of bombs were dropped on the people of Iraq in the most concentrated aerial bombardment in the history of the world. Sadistic American forces even slaughtered retreating Iraqi soldiers as they tried to flee along a highway back to Iraq.
And as with Yugoslavia, the "Desert Storm" terror campaign was directed primarily against the civilian population, a genocidal six-week assault on all the civilian people and infrastructure of Iraq. Particularly targeted were every grain silo and public water-treatment plant in the country. The assault included the most extensive use in history of depleted uranium missiles, and the most intensive use of cluster bombs, fuel-air bombs, napalm, cruise missiles and so-called "smart bombs."
The Dutch Laka Foundation estimates that this particular U.S. terror campaign left behind 300-800 tons of radioactive waste from the depleted uranium ammunition all over Kuwait and Iraq – poisoning the air, the land, the water and the people everywhere.
Afterwards, wherever the depleted uranium firing had been concentrated, there were cancer epidemics among Iraqi civilians living nearby. In the ten years since, sanctions, bacteria-laden water and depleted uranium together have killed somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 Iraqi civilians. Most of the victims were, and are, children.
Since the American terror campaign, thousands of Iraqi babies have been born with horrible birth defects. This is something that has never before been seen in Iraq.
More than 120,000 American Gulf War veterans are chronically ill – suffering from Gulf War Syndrome. A U.S. Department of Veterans study of 251 veteran's families found that 67% had children with severe illnesses or birth defects.
Even the United Nations estimates that over one million Iraqi civilians, including 600,000 children below the age of five have died as a result of diseases from polluted water – and the American sanctions which deny them the needed medicines.
(to read more on these click on the link)
1992 - Present
American/NATO State Terrorism of the Yugoslavian People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 3000 people from the 1999 terror-bombing.
1960 - Present
American Assassination of Patrice Lumumba and Backing of State Terrorism of the People of The Congo/Zaire
1959 - Present
American Subversion and State Terrorism of the Cuban People
1953 - Present
American-backed Genocide of the Guatemalan People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people.
A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims – indisputably one of the most inhumane chapters of the 20th century.
1980 - Present
American Terrorism of the El Salvadoran People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 75,000 people.
Massive amounts of arms, training and funding were poured into El Salvador to prop up the puppet government against a popular uprising. Featured the covert use of U.S. air power and ground forces, as well as the training, at the "School of the Americas" [in Ft. Benning, Georgia], of the leaders of the right-wing death squads which executed thousands of Salvadorans.
1975 - 1999
American-backed Genocide of the People of East Timor
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people.
In December 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor, which lies at the eastern end of the Indonesian archipelago, and which had proclaimed its independence after Portugal had relinquished control of it. The invasion was launched the day after U.S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had left Indonesia after giving Suharto permission to use American arms, which, under U.S. law, could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was Washington's most valuable tool in Southeast Asia.
Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops, with the aim of forcibly annexing East Timor, had killed 200,000 people out of a population of between 600,000 and 700,000. The United States consistently supported Indonesia's claim to East Timor (unlike the UN and the EU), and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training it needed to carry out the job.
The U.S.-backed government of Indonesia invaded East Timor just one day after a visit by President Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger. As many as a third of the tiny island's population were exterminated using American supplied weaponry.
1987 - 1994
American-supported State Terrorism of the Haitian People
1993
American Slaughter of People in Somalia
1979 - 1992
American Subversion in Afghanistan
Estimated civilian deaths: over 1,000,000 people.
1981 - 1990
American Terrorism of the Nicaraguan People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 13,000 people
Following the fall of the Somoza regime, which had been backed for decades by the U.S., the CIA formed and armed the covert army known as the "Contras" from the remains of Somoza's National Guard. Assisted by covert U.S. air power, this proxy army inflicted considerable death and destruction across the Nicaraguan countryside.
http://www.doublestandards.org/usmurder.html
And if you click on th link there are many many more examples...
The U.S. supported the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years, then opposed the reformist priest, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Meanwhile, the CIA was working intimately with death squads, torturers, and drug traffickers.
With this as background, the Clinton White House found itself in the awkward position of having to pretend – because of all their rhetoric about "democracy" – that they supported Aristide's return to power in Haiti after he had been ousted in a 1991 military coup.
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| | | | | From Jesus Crust
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 09:27
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GG, thou art a fag. Deny it not to me, for I am Jesus. When I sayeth thou art gay I doth not mean slightly faggy, no, verily I say unto thee thou art as gay as the day is long in summer. I grow weary of thy shitty posting for thou art crap. I hath tried to remain neutral and involve myself not in this matter, yet I can bear it no more. If thou doth not shut thy fucking hole I shall give thee a fate worse than Job. Except that I shall not reward thee with shit for all thy suffering. I shall tell the this but once more, shut thy fucking hole or thou shalt be blessed with cement shoes and beckoned to walk on water, a feat only I know the trick to. Bless thee my retarded son.
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| | | | | | | | From leave berg outa this
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 07:10
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Legal statutes regard terrorism as a crime. Yet there is considerable variation in how these laws define terrorism. A U.S. federal statute defines terrorism as “violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that ... appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping.” [United States Code, Title 18, Section 2331 (18 USC 2331)]. The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful [emphasis added] use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
In broad terms, its causes usually can be traced to political oppression, cultural domination, economic exploitation, ethnic discrimination, and religious persecution. Perceived inequities in the distribution of wealth and political power have led some terrorists to attempt to overthrow democratically elected governments. To achieve a fairer society, they would replace these governments with socialist or communist regimes. Germany’s Baader-Meinhof Gang, Italy’s Red Brigades, and the Weather Underground in the U.S. worked for this aim. Some seek to fulfill what they consider a divinely inspired or millennialist (related to the end of the world) cause. The Japanese religious cult Aum Shinrikyo, responsible for a nerve gas attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995, falls into this category. Others embrace comparatively more defined and comprehensible goals, such as re-establishing a national homeland (e.g., Basque separatists in Spain) or unifying a divided nation (Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland). Other terrorists are motivated by specific issues, such as opposing legalized abortion or nuclear energy, or championing environmental concerns and animal rights.
At times, national governments have aided terrorists to further their own foreign policy goals. So-called state-sponsored terrorism, however, falls into a different category altogether, for it is considered a form of covert (secret) warfare, a means to wage war secretly through the use of terrorist surrogates (stand-ins) as hired guns. Such sponsorship has proven invaluable to some terrorist organizations, for it allows them to obtain arms, money, and a safe haven, among other things, and thereby become more powerful and menacing opponents. It also can place at terrorists’ disposal the resources of an established country’s diplomatic, military, and intelligence services, and thereby improve the training of terrorists and facilitate planning and operations. Finally, governments have paid terrorists handsomely for their services, which enables them to present a greater threat to their opponents.
Suicide attacks differ from other terrorist operations, because the perpetrator’s own death is a requirement for success. Suicide bombers, therefore, are typically highly motivated, passionately dedicated individuals who decide voluntarily or upon persuasion to surrender their lives to fulfill their mission. Palestinians, lacking a means of self-defense, have increasingly resorted to the tactic to keep pressure on the occupation forces.
The American Definition
Efforts to eradicate terrorism usually fail because the international community cannot agree on a definition. Now, however, America’s definition is beginning to take hold. On the day after 9/11, the UN Security Council approved Resolution 1368, which reaffirmed the UN’s commitment “to combat by all means threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts”; recognized the “inherent right of individual or collective self-defense in accordance with the [UN] Charter” against terrorism; and unequivocally condemned “in the strongest terms” the September 11 attacks. Two weeks later, Security Council Resolution 1373 was approved. It called for the prevention and suppression of terrorism financing and greater exchange of the operational information needed by UN member-states to fight terrorism.
American leadership, owing to various pressures, is not ready to accept that terrorism is a reaction to injustice. Presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), talking on “Face the Nation,” said that to win the war on terrorism, the U.S. needs much more that an intelligence operation and a law enforcement operation — it needs “the most robust, aggressive, forceful foreign policy.”
This “forceful” foreign policy is not about enforcing justice, but about using the big stick to suppress any reaction to injustice. He wants the U.S. to engage in governing Muslim countries due to his belief that terrorism results from widespread unemployment, and “as long as they are educated in schools which teach them to hate, to hate Israel, to hate us, and to give them the capacity to become terrorists, we need to change that relationship.”
Senator Joe Biden, (D-DE), ranking member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, expressed similar views on May 25 on “Meet the Press.” He blamed Saudi textbooks, declaring, “You cannot allow state-run newspapers, you cannot allow the school system you run to preach hatred, to preach anti-Semitism, to preach anti-Western notions and then expect us to say that they’re cooperating with us…”
The same selective thinking is being propagated by academia. Jerrold Post, who founded the CIA’s Center for the Analysis of Personality and Political Behavior, interviewed 21 people held in Israeli and Palestinian prisons, told the American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting on May 22 that Palestinians have “basically been bred to hate from very early on.”
Conclusion
The U.S. has placed itself in a corner: It insists that other governments stop, prevent, and even help it to fight terrorism, and yet arms such practitioners of state terrorism as Tel Aviv.
Today, terrorism refers to those whom the U.S. dislikes, especially Muslims, or who work against a U.S. ally-of-the-moment. Thus, the war of liberation in Chechnya is terrorism against Russia, the war of liberation in East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is terrorism against China, and the movement for self-determination in Kashmir is terrorism against India.
The change of definition and the high-powered media beating the official drums are meaningless, because the ground reality says that justice is being denied. This is where the difference between peace and forced acceptance counts. Even official U.S. occupation, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, cannot extinguish this reality.(reply to this comment) |
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Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 07:06
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I ask myself: what can we do to stop the long standing American tradition of Terrorism & Genocide? (think of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Corea, Vietnam, support of Latin American military that systematically tortured and killed people -see disclosed Condor project documents-, Afghanistan, Irak, Abu Graib, Guantanamo, etc.).
What can we do as regular citizens wherever we live to stop this?. How much horror can we stand indifferent to peoples suffering?.
*join demonstrations?
*fill petitions like the anti-torture petition?
http://www.petitions.ws/rangel/petition.php?id=15
*were a button or sign?
*ask representatives?
*reject to deal with pro-Bush people?
*boicot and don´t buy from pro-Bush companies?
Ideas?.(reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 14:02
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Why don't you just hang yourself. You make no sense pal. boicot? ask what frigging representative? Irak? I thought at least in the fam everybody learned English! WRF do you mean AMERICAN TRADITION OF TERRORISM AND GENOCIDE!! We've been fighting terrorism, facism, communism, and dictatorism, and genocide. If we didn't force the rest of the world to open their eyes and face this threat, then you people would leave terrorists to police. No other country has the balls to deal with terrorists in terrorist land. You all sit and wait for them to come then kill people, then you try to arrest them. You don't have what it takes to enter their domain and destroy the system that makes and supports terrorists. Sure we look like the bad cop. But we get the job done. In a few years you'll see Bush made the right decision. (reply to this comment) |
| | from Jonni
Monday, January 09, 2006 - 13:54
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One political figure ???
perhaps Ghandi, na might be a bit boaring.
Tony Blair, na cant put up with that grin
Bush, na i at least want a full conversation.
What can you say i guess there are no political figures worth talking to at the moment. . . call me a cynic
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| | | | from Jonni
Monday, January 09, 2006 - 13:47
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does ozzy count ??
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| from Bones
Monday, January 09, 2006 - 09:02
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Jesus Christ,
When you take away all the spin he was just a man. His words have been chewed up and shit out for thousands of years by christians. I would love to hear his words from his own mouth in the proper context. If Jesus was alive today, he would probably want to do alot of explaining.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | From exister99
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:15
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Bold talk for a poster who won't use his own screen name.
Why don't you enlighten us regarding the contributions you have made to this country you claim to love so much?
Ever served in the military? Ever made a sacrifice for your fellow Americans?
My suspicion is that your answer to these questions is "No," and that you are little more than some hatemongering looser who spends most of his waking hours wanking it to The Fox News Channel.
Perhaps you'd care to set me straight, with a real screen name.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Monday, January 09, 2006, 12:40
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I live in true blue USA. I live in the real world. The land of the free.
Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Note the lines.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
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| | | | | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 10:24
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I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!(reply to this comment) |
| | From }-o-{ Tie Interceptor
Friday, January 13, 2006, 14:08
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You are a real Iranian, cum in the butt just like a fag,
You are a real Iranian, cum in the butt, cum like a slut!
When I come humping down and it hurts your thighs,
You gotta take some lax, pain'll then subside,
Well I gaped your butt, and I scraped your throat,
You know you're a fag, you don't have to hide,
You are a real Iranian, cum from the butt just like a fag,
You are a real Iranian, cum in the butt, cum like a slut!
You feel horny in your bra and thong,
you trade dollars for a twelve inch dong,
you got something deep inside of you, and viagra is the thing that makes you feel,
You are a real Iranian, cum in the butt just like a fag,
You are a real Iranian, cum in the butt, cum like a slut!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 16:48
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HA!!!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Jesus Crust
Friday, January 13, 2006, 15:24
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I shall give thee the answer to my secret puzzle. Saveth the following letters and throw thee out the rest: 1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25, 29, 33, 37, 41, 45, 49. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 04:30
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Kimi ga yo no yo wa,
Chiyo ni Yachiyo ni,
Sazareishi no Iwao to narite,
Koke no, Musu made,
=) Proud to be Japanese!
We work hard, play hard, die hard.
btw, in Japanese, "GG" means "old man" in a mocking sort of way.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 04:18
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Shut up friggen Ozzies. You want to be just like us. Look at the way you try to police the pacific like a mini America. Cackling with glee! what planet are you from? If Bush thinks theres a good reason to put terrorist sympathizers under surveilance then he has a good reason to. It makes perfect sense that he can't give us the details. it kills the whole purpose of having secret intelligence like the NSA.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Eric Cartman
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:52
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I like secret intelligence. Their whole purpose of existence of course, is to give us a good false reason to go to war and kill people we don't like. They also are good joke fodder, and great stuff to make movies out of. I liked the one with Colin Farell and Al Pacino. I wonder if I could meet some if I constantly posted extremist statements online. I want to find out where they get their cool singlasses from.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Nookie
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 11:54
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I pledge allegiance to the underworld
one nation under dog there of which I stand alone
a face in the crowd unsung against the mold
without a doubt, singled out, the only way I know
One light one mind flashing in the dark
blinded by the silence of a thousand broken hearts
"for crying out loud", she screamed unto me
A free for ALL, Fuck em all, you are your own sight(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:33
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spain lost on the war against terror by giving in to the terrorists.
england's attacks were not that big, but well done for not coping out like the spanish.
I don't think the sarin attacks had anything to do with terrorists even though it was done in the same fashion. That was some religous fanatics trying to make armagedon come true. Stupid japanese terrorists wannabes spraying a train with pepper spray and a bunch of sore eyes. Big deal. get over it.
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| | From Ne Oublie
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 02:01
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The Brits have been fighting terrorism (under that definition) far longer than you Yanks. The only reason London got off comparitively easy in last year's attacks is because of our preparedness. As Baxter pointed out the US has been complicit - at best - in the supporting of terrorism in Northern Ireland, amongst other countries. Incidentally, your recent flurry of activity against Islamic terrorism has had the added benefit for us of clamping down on Americans' support of the IRA and therefore forcing them to more meaningful negotiations than they were previously prepared to undertake.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 19:17
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At your core, you're just a fucking racist, aren't you? There is not logic to be exemplified in any of your dialogue, is there? Just simplistic white racist oral shite!!
You know, I spent Five years in the service of my country, a good deal of which was spent engaged in another so-called 'war on terror', the conflict in Northern Ireland. It's funny but when I remember it, a lot of the ordnance the so-called terrorists in that conflict were using either came from America or was bought with American money. There were even Irish Americans fighting on the Side of the Republicans, or smuggling guns for them. July 7 was not exactly the first incident of large-sacle terrorism in Britain, (don't you know) we've had a considerable number of major attacks in our history. Point is, you're not the only nation in the world that knows a thing or two about dealing with terrorism, and you're certainly not the only innocent party.
And by the way, from someone who was actually in Tokyo the day that Aum Shinrikyo gassed the subways: Only in the dreams of morons does sarin gas leave a slight stinging in the eyes. It was terrorism, not vandalism or hooliganism. (reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 04:11
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If you consider Aum a terrorist group, then I suppose the boy scouts qualify? do you realize that the irish insurextion could be very easily quelled if you sent proper troops? Why don't you just send in your SAS troopers or carpet bomb them? You poms keep complaining about the IRA but when are you getting off your ass and seriously going to fight them?(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:59
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You exemplify everything that is wrong with the conservative outlook. Dude, the army knows pretty much 99% of the addresses and whereabouts of republican and loyalist terrorists in Northern Ireland. This intelligence is relayed to the soldiers who do most of the patrolling on the ground. Effectively, (if we wanted to be morons) we could just go and shoot all the suspects in a day. But the lesson of Bloody Sunday is one which we have (albeit belatedly) absorbed. Bloody Sunday did more to recruit young men into the IRA than any previous or following piece of republican propaganda. It's a lesson certain of your leaders would do well to learn. Killing all the known terrorists would end up generating more and new factions of terrorists.
CARPET BOMBING!!!!????? You're not just an idiot, you're an asshole. if you think that bombing republican neighbourhoods would end instead of extenuate the conflict, you have a cock growing out of your head!
In any case, our way has worked so far: the Good Friday agreement has held so far, and PIRA has apparently committed against violence permanently (although I personally have doubts as to their reduced capability. A few years of tact has served to solve what considerably more years of army and police brutality failed to do.
P.S. WHEN DID THE BOY SCOUTS PUT SARIN NERVE GAS ON A METRO TRAIN IN RUSH HOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????
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| | | | | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 14:17
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Eventually people give up and realize that they'd be better off on your side than against. you give them peace and you think you got peace but all your doing is giving them time to recruit train and prepare for a bigger deadlier attack. if you take out all the bigshots you might get a new generation of fanatics but there will be no network or infrastructure or experienced leaders to train the newbies. they wouldn't be so much of a threat then as you can easily take them out. Sometimes you need to scare people out of stupid ideas. we never negotiate with terrorists. negotiating with them only tells them that if they kill people the government will chicken out and sit at the table. the only effective negotiation with a terrorist is with lead. period.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 09:53
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The situation in palestine is because were too lenient. We should just bomb them flat like we bombed iraq. We should send in troops and arrest or assasinate all the terrorists, then prop up schools and hospitals. all the people left will love us forever. look at japan?! we fucked them good, but patched things up, and now their basically our slaves.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 16:45
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The japanese are your slaves? that explains the trade wars between the two countries; traditional behaviour for slaves!! that explains why the japanese could ban the sale of US beef; slaves. That explains why japanese technology still outsells US, or why Japanese cars are more globally popular than American: I mean that's what slaves do , innit?
Japan's reconstruction and present state of modernity is the result of american involvement. You're an uneducated, uninformed penis. Either you're dileiberately trying to offend people or you're just brainless. i invite you to visit Japan and try telling someone on the street where to get off. See how the slaves deal with you. Fun watching those so-called 'ugly hunchbacked japs' kick your worthless arse all over the shop, and then see you deported a disgrace! Slaves? You fucking idiot!!(reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Friday, January 13, 2006, 05:01
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YOUR COMPREHENSION IS THIN AS WATER!! ITS A FORM OF SPEECH DUMBASS! THEY WALK WHEN WE SAY WALK! THEY PAY WHEN WE SAY PAY! OUR SOLDIERS DON'T GET JAILED WHEN THEY ARE GUILTY OF A CRIME. I WOULDN'T CALL THAT AN EQUAL RELATIONSHIP! OK FINE SLAVE WAS OFFENSIVE!! PUPPET! IS THAT BETTER!? JACKASS!!
YES JAPANS RECONSTRUCTION IS THE RESULT OF AMERICAN GUIDANCE AND PROTECTION. SAME WITH TAIWAN. SAME WITH SOUTH KOREA. SAME WITH PHILIPINES. ALL THE SAFE ASIAN COUNTRIES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T GET ABUSED AND OPRESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ALL AMERICAN PROTECTED PLACES.
AND A JAP KICK MY ASS!!? HA HA HA HA WHATTA RETARD! THOSE 5 FOOT MIDGETS COULDN'T BEAT MY GRANNY!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Baxter
Friday, January 13, 2006, 06:18
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I just explained to you why that notion is bullshit!! And btw, i just spent new years eve with a bunch of US navy guys in Tokyo who didn't exactly behave as if they ran the place. they were respectful of japanese laws on account of the fact that if they got in trouble with the Japanese authorities they would get demoted or even discharged.
Japan may be a loyal ally but it is nowhere near a puppet state!
But why am i arguaing with a worthless redneck who won't make a sacrifice to actually serve his country but will give other people shit about their's? You haven't even earned the right to be arrogant, you haven't the brains.
One or two five foot japs i'd love you to meet, you meathead redneck fuck!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from GG
Monday, January 09, 2006 - 08:39
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Adolf Hitler
George Bush Sr. - To ask him why he copped out halfway to victory.
George Bush Jr. - To applaud him for his leadership and decisiveness.
Gadafi - To find out what the connection was.
Osama Bin Laden - To suffocate him with toilet paper.
Fidel Castro - To buy cheap Cuban cigars.
Kim Jon Il
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Monday, January 09, 2006, 10:01
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Shut up you quisling. WTF is with the Team America popularity anyway. The only thing that film(if you could call it that)got right was its depiction of michael moore. A fat ugly retarded unpatriotic unamerican SOB.
Bill Clinton should be shot as should all the unamerican democratic sods. Bush is a great president with a tremendous vision, and the balls to fuck the rest of the world for the benefit of the United States of America.
Yours truly(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:58
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Well number one, it isn't our Presidents fault that his subordinets didn't give him all the right intel-i-gence. it isn't his fault that their information on Saddam was incomplete either. whos term the attacks happened isn't that important. at least Bush is doing something about it. Clinton was trying to make peace in palestinia while ignoring security in the homeland.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From placebo
Monday, January 09, 2006, 10:21
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du bist wirklich sau dumm, darum gehts dir gut
hass ist deine attitüde, ständig kocht dein blut
alles muss man dir erklären, weil du wirklich gar nichts weisst;
höchstwahrscheinlich nicht einmal, was attitude heisst
deine gewalt ist nur ein stummer schrei nach liebe
deine springerstiefel sehnen sich nach zärtlichkeit
du hast nie gelernt dich zu artikulieren
und deine eltern hatten niemals für dich zeit
ARSCHLOCH!
translations will be given to those who ask.
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| | | | | From GG
Monday, January 09, 2006, 11:17
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Anyone can use a translater twat.
Feinde von Amerika können unsere Kugeln saugen
traître au monde. crétin de boulette de viande
Agradezca a dios que tenemos un comandante en el jefe fuerte que sabe lo que él está haciendo.
Bashers америки должны остаться в pussies культа.
Σε 20 έτη ο μισός κόσμος θα φιλούν την αμερικανική άκρη
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 10:19
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The US was partially responsible for the war because of it's embargo on Japanese oil importation. The idea was to get Japan to relinquish its presence in China. In itself the strategy had merit, but it's conception was limited because it simply assumed that Japanese expansion was a simplistic drive for commodities, and it hugely underestimated the Japanese response. Besides that, it actually took Pearl harbour to get America to respond to Fascist aggression in Europe and the East, otherwise a good deal of the American W.A.S.P. elite would probably have been more than happy with concessions and even deals with hitler. Roosevelt was the true Hero of the war, not Truman. The only real good thing that came out of the bombs was the prevention of Russian expansion into Japan, which migh have ended in a partition similar to Germany or Korea. To me and most of the Japanese i have spoken to on the subject that still doesn't explain dropping it twice, on cities with no strategic value. That said, the fire-bombing of Tokyo and Dresden was worse than either nuke blast, at least in terms of direct destruction.
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| | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 11:08
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Mate ,I'll bet you don't have any relatives that lived through Japanese occupation during the war. But I do. I know what the Japanese did in that war was unacceptable and horrific. But much of it was comparable to the American occupation of the Phillipines, or the European involvement in Africa.
I never said that the military reaction to Japanese aggression was uncalled for. But preceding American action had exacerbated rather than alleviated the problem. much of this had to do with that basic political institution which you so flagrantly display: Racism. The Japanese felt that an aggressive posture against the rest of the world was necessary in a political environment in which the militarily strong dominated the weak, and the refusal of the western nations to recognise Japan as anything other than a culturally and racially inferior nation aggrevated the Japanese emotional and political position. In a lot of ways, the seeds of Pearl harbour wer planted when Commodore Perry was so completely rude to the Japanese when he landed there (which incidently was merely about access to refueling depots in Japan). Perry set the tone for Japanese actions in the following years, as did French and British aggression along Japan's coastline.
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| | From Fish
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 17:42
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It should also be noted that the racism to which you referred extended to the imperialist nations general attitude toward imperial Japan. While Japan simply aspired to compete with the white powers as an equal, the white powers deemed it unacceptable for an “Asian” people to “play” on the same terms as them.
The atrocities Japan committed were nothing that could not be compared with those perpetrated by the other imperialist powers. There was just one difference: Japanese aren’t white.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:05
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Mr. All American patriot should re-study the history of USA independence.
"If you say you can still pass (King George's) offenses over, then I ask, has your house been burned? Has your property been destroyed before your face? Are your wife and children destitute of a bed to lie on or bread to live on? Have you lost a parent or child by their hands, and yourself the ruined and wretched survivor? If you have not, and can still shake hands with the murderers, then are you unworthy the name of husband, father, friend, or a lover, and whatever may be your rank and title in life, you have the heart of a coward the the spirit of a sycophant."
Thomas Paine In "Common Sense"
Maybe this explains why some people consider the U.S.A. their arch-nemesis. I don't think its so much about jealousy. There isn't a whole lot to be jealous of. (reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 04:02
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Mr. LIMP DICK BALLESS APE should study American history!!
Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry.
We fight for our freedom. If we need to limit our enemies freedom to protect our freedom so be it.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Eric Cartman
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 01:40
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The real reason there are terrorists.
Gary Johnston: I was just a boy when the infidels came to my village in their Blackhawk helicopters. The infidels fired at the oil fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning oil rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my goats were consumed by the fiery black liquid death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my goats screaming for help. As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better kill me now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too.
Terrorist : I like you. You have balls. I like balls. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 11:22
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Is culturally obtuse the best way to describe you, or is it too lenient.
Hara Kiri (as oddman points out - belly cutting, not throat cutting) was applicable to the Samurai (no other class had the priviledge of carrying out their own executions). The Samurai technically ceased to exist after the Meiji restoration in 1868.
Principally, a Samurai is not obliged to kill himself whenever he loses a fight -that's just stupid. He took his own life either in consequence to staking it directly against an outcome or in response to a dishonour to great to bear. Often it was done as a political statement.
My point is that suicide was not the single acceptable honourable response for the Japanese to defeat. the most important issue of honour was obedience to the emperor, who ordered them to surrender rather than commit mass suicide or engage in guerrilla warfare. This the Japanese did, through gritted teeth, because they were ordered to. That is Japanese honour. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From GG
Monday, January 09, 2006, 14:38
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Ow, did I strike a nerve? Women and Children were manufacturing the bombs that were killing Americans. Teenagers were strapping bombs, flying fighters, and piloting human torpedos. If the nips wanted to defend their women and children, they should have kept them out of the war. The minute they involved them, they signed their own death warrant. An armed woman or child is not a civilian.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 01:11
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I guess the soap bar mouth wash didn't help you any. Are you American or japanese? If you're American I suggest you emigrate. We don't need un-americans here. I'm sure the FRENCH and RUSSIANS will be happy to have you. If your japanese, just remember the only reason you don't live in the US is because we didn't want your land. Where would japan be without the US anyways? We made you a frigging world economy and you still managed to fuck it up in 50 years of independence. Look out, korea is getting ahead of you. For being allies, you haven't helped the war much either.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 04:47
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Quit talking nonsense.
1. We are twisting the interpretation of our constitution so we can send troops to Iraq, in order to show we support our ally. Legally, we shouldn't be in a warzone, and we shouldn't have shipped fuel to US Navy vessels in the Indian sea.
2. The USA did not make Japan a world economy. Our grandparents worked hard to restore Japan, and did an A class job of it. We were already a world economic power before WWII.
3. We have thousands of years of history. What history does the USA have?(reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 10:08
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Have jap soldiers killed any terrorists? um noooo.
Have jap soldiers held a position? em nooooo.
Have jap soldiers driven down bomb laid roads? noooo.
You're pansy soldiers just sit in a safe zome protected by other soldiers. Ooo, right you don't even have a real army. what were they called? peace troopers? Oh yeah, must have been boy scouts. Fight a real war before bragging about your history.
Japan - bigtime ware loser.
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America - Never loses.
You just don't have the balls. Go figure. Punk.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 10:50
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Have Japanese troops killed their own allies in this war? um, No.
Have Japanese troops bombed a Chinese embassy? Ah, No.
Have Japanese troops tortured Iraqis in the process of "liberating" them? Let me think...... No.
The reason we have Self Defense Forces instead of a army, is because the rest of the civilized world was scared shitless of what we could do if we did. Considering Japanese technology and work ethics, we could have the worlds most advanced weapons arsenal and the worlds most disciplined military if we wanted to.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Ne Oublie
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 11:00
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Maybe let's skip the comparisons to Japanese army tactics for this discussion, their conduct in WWII left nothing to the imagination as far as the atrocities they were prepared to commit in pursuit of their aims. The rest of the world's fears were anything but imagined which was why they were de-militarised, something which has incidentally served their economy quite nicely since.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 11:28
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Hey, I'm not opposed to the fact that we are a peace-loving nation, free from the plagues of war. It has been a good thing for Japan and the whole region no doubt. I'm just saying there is a very ferocious, destructive, and yes, fanatically patriotic side to many Japanese, and this has long been suppressed. While I hope this side does not manifest itself again for a long time, anybody who thinks Japanese won't defend themselves had better watch out.
Incidentally, why is it a wonderful thing when Americans are patriotic, but oh no, if a Japanese, or Chinese, or Frenchman, or Briton (dare I say Arab?), is patriotic, then it's suddenly a bad thing?
Also, why is it that Americans think the USA is the only "land of the free"? A freedom imposed on by another power isn't freedom. (reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:46
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You ungrateful sods forget that your peace is due to your alliance with the United States of America. If you werent our allies china and korea and north korea and russia wouldn't think twice about invading your country. And I never said the USA is the ONLY land of the free. it just is the land of the free. its a lot more free than your country at least. we arent obligated to kiss your butts, and we arent mindless factory machinery like typical japanese workforce.(reply to this comment) |
| | From conan
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 15:13
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Dude, I'm a patriotic American and proud to call the USA my home. But you're a fucking embarrassment to the flag and the soldiers overseas fighting a war for a fake president over fake pretenses. If the US were truly free, we'd have government funding to explore genetic science such as stem cell research and cell cloning to save lives that are being lost by the hundreds of thousands every year due to cancer and other diseases that our society likes to turn a blind eye to.
There’s a reason America and Americans are universally despised right now, even in our “ally’s” countries. It’s because we’ve become the meddlesome backyard bully everyone pretends to like and sucks up to, but really wants to see someone stand up and kick his ass. This is mostly the fault of the American people for re-electing a moron on the magnitude of incompetence that Bush is. In this day and age, for any leader to believe that he was elected on a mandate from god (God) is pure drivel in a secular world. Anyone in the States with a brain would be laughing hysterically at our president if they weren’t so ashamed of him and what he’s done to our international reputation.
Clinton may have been blown by a fat chick. Hell, he may have even fucked her. But he did give America credibility in the international diplomacy scene by attempting to orchestrate peace in the Middle East as well as his handling of the Milosevic situation. Your backward thinking ass probably can’t even remember NATO’s attack on Serbia to stop a genocidal maniac and his Hitler-like quest for a pure (Serbian) race in the former Yugoslavia. Clinton used force as a last resort and his campaign was planned in detail so that it was successful from the momnent it began till we had an ACTUAL victory.
Bush’s campaign meanwhile was thought out by hacks and frat boys who thought that it would be fun to pull off a little invasion for shits and giggles, thinking that the Iraqis would simply roll over and play dead while we played liberating heroes. And then let’s not forget about Bush’s little vote garnering dress up act declaring “Victory” when we’d barely even begun to count the casualties of great American men and women who believed that they were fighting for our continued freedom when they were misled just like the rest of the American public.
What about the WMDs? Where?? Show me one shred of evidence that points to Saddam Hussein and Iraq having the capabilities to produce weapons of mass destruction, which if you remember correctly, was our principal reason of going to war there in the first place and the only reason that our Senate approved of Bush’s war. On the other hand, there is insurmountable evidence that Bush was told repeatedly by intelligence sources that there were no WMDs and as such is invasion was unjustifiable. So what does Bush do? He suppresses the evidence and creates his own to excuse his little invasion never imagining that it would be such a huge burden on the American taxpayer as it drags on and on with no peaceful end in sight.
And that’s not even the half of it. I won’t get started on Bush’s cronies Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney and their other cohorts and how they have used illegal wiretaps and surveillance countless times during this administration. You chose to ignore all of this GG because you’re caught up in the Bush mentality of redneck, block-headed, narrow-minded, dogma-driven, over-zealous religious thought disguised as American Patriotism. Fuck that and fuck you!
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| | From Ne Oublie
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 01:41
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Conan, it just ticks me off when people start praising Clinton, so I'm going to have to call you on it! First-off (and not related to him specifically) government funding for genetic research has absolutely nothing to do with being a 'free country' - I would counter that it is actually indicative of big government and high taxes, which can hardly be called 'free'.
On to Clinton, whom you claim 'gave America credibility in the international diplomacy scene'. He gave US politics about as much credibility as a Laurel & Hardy script, the only advantage he has over Bush is his engaging personality, he kept the international community ammused, but credibility... I think not!
You also ignore the fact that Iraqis were being killed by the thousands during Clinton's time in office as a direct result of both the UN Sanctions and the almost daily bombing raids by the US Air Force on Iraqi positions. The only significant difference between Clinton & Bush's approach in Iraq was the deployment of US ground forces - and yes, it was those same WMD that Clinton used as the excuse for his 8 years of bombing the country's infrastructure, including utilities, hospitals, and medical research facilities.
As for cronyism, that was a term which really came to it's own during the Clinton era, defining just about every aspect of his political career - he wasn't named Slick Willy only for his sexual dalliances. Just because the Left-wing media chose to turn a blind eye to it, and dismiss all accusations against him as Right-wing propaganda doesn't make it alright.(reply to this comment) |
| | From live_fast-die_young
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 01:45
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True, he applied sanctions on Iraq that killed at least half a million children and carried out the longest bombing campaign (on Iraq) since Vietnam. He did handle Serbia quite well though, even if the whole thing smacked of herrings.
However, he was generally viewed positively by the international community, much more so than Bush. I think what conan was saying was that Clinton's behaviour in the international diplomacy scene gave American politics a more level-headed, rational--and, therefore, trustworthy--appearance than Bush's excited bully approach.(reply to this comment) |
| | From GG
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 10:00
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Who cares if the world thought he was trust worthy?! he was the president of the USA and we couldn't trust him. he wasn't the president of the rest of the world so what they think carries as much weight as a rats dick. the responsibility of the president of the USA is to ensure whats best for the USA and convince other countries.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From vixen
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 11:19
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Uh huh, riiiiiiiight. I find it hilarious, and more than a little worrying, that you are more concerned with the fact that Clinton got his cock serviced and then lied about it, than the fact that a war that has caused the deaths of many, many innocent people simply so that America's economy could benefit, was started under false pretences by your fellow ignoramus of a president. Screwy sense of morality or what???(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Ne Oublie
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 12:04
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The sentiment of your last 2 paragraphs is what I refered to when I called GG out on his perception of the 'real world'. As I said in the same post I have nothing against patriotism - regardless of the nation. I regret that it has recently become all but fashionable to be 'self-hating' as a nation (at least it is in this country), I take issue with the 'PC brigade and all who promote a bland conformity instead of a truly multi-cultural environment where all (even the majority) cultures, religions and traditions are respected and preserved.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Tuesday, January 10, 2006, 10:40
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Let's put this into perspective, shall we?
Japan has become the 2nd biggest economy in the world with less than 25% arrable land. Do you really want to compare that statistic to the US; or is that not totally redundant, considering the complete difference in land mass?
Japan was the ONLY Asian nation to succesfully modernise at the turn of the century. It was also the only nation to completely evade the hegemony of western commercial and military imperialism. It also holds what is arguably The world record for industrialisation: whereas Western Europe underwent industrialisation over a comparatively leisurely 100 years approximate, Japan transformed itself into an modern competitive industrial economy in under 30.
Is a comparison to the US or any other country even worth the breath?
As far as Never losing a war: two words- VIET NAM
As far as no balls, the Japanese took on what they knew very well to be the biggest economy on earth, knowing very well their chances of winning were slim to none; earlier in the century (1904-5) they took on the Russians -a nation of resources far in excess of Japan's- and beat them through superior discipline and motivation. In the prevous and concurrent period both the US and the western imperialist nations were contentedly carving up the world between themselves and earning glory defeating the inferior forces of weaker nations. how much balls did that require?
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| | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 04:44
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Why are you sooo fond of japan? because their one of the last first world countries to still be eating endagered species? because their one of the last first world countries to still be trafficking humans? because of their horribly perverted porn culture? because of their wonderful products that are really just a remix of western technology? Perhaps because of their absolute lack of originality? in what other country do kids dress in uniforms every day of the week? in what other country are people forced to wear the same ugly black suits like some italian hitman? in what other country is 80% of the cars on the road white? Its one big cultic country.
When America was conquering the world America was not yet a world power. We were not taking on inferior nations. They were just pussies and gave up easily. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 13:18
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I have just underlined the reasons why i admire Japan. But Japan is also my family home. I have family who are Japanese. I love the culture, I love the architecture, I love the food, I love the people. Personally, I have reason to love the country in the manner that you profess towards your own country.
Have you ever been to japan? I fucking think not. japanese porn is no worse than american porn, and certainly not worse than german porn. Their horridly unoriginal products outstrip those of most western countries including yours in terms of efficiency, economy and reliability.
So fucking what if the students wear uniforms? that is certainly not unique. And where in HOLY FUCK did you getthe idea that everyone wears the same suit?
I would tell you to get ut into the world, but you in the world would be bad for the world's health, and ultimately yours too, since eventually someone's gonna get sick of your crap and blow you away.
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| | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 13:44
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Lived in Japan for 6 months. They have the sickest pedo-porn cartoons I've ever seen, and are very lenient on rape as a porn theme. The only rape porn videos on the net are Russian or Japanese.
And everyone does wears the same suits. 7:00 AM to 8:00AM it's a sea of black suits parading the streets like nazis. Even the women wear suits.
They eat endagered whales. I don't know how tasty that is, but I'm not interested in trying ever. If they need food they should start importing good ol American beef. There just using the madcow virus as a excuse to not buy US beef. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 20:38
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I just spent Xmas in Tokyo, and no they were very far from dressed like uniformed nazis. But what the hell, fascism is an ideology. And you, good sir, display all the basic hallmarks of it.
They've started buying US beef again, btw.
Hey, I don't agree with a lot of things that happen in Japan. The way women have been traditionally treated is disgraceful. The corruption of the bureaucratic government is horrendous. That said, a lot has changed in the last few years, especially under the Koizumi administration.
There is American rape-theme porn on the net. There is also incesss-themed porn and a lot of other crap that you refuse to admit exists in the US. There are perverts everywhere, man. You can't and shouldn't measure a nation by its extreme margins. Jeez, If I did that, how could I possibly look at Americans in a positive light, considering having interracted with a blockhead like you?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From GG
Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 16:20
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Dumbass! I do not watch porn at all. being married happily i obviously have no need for porn. Youv'e obviously never been to japan. You find this sick shit in common computer stores next to your latest Microsoft office package. Half their video stores are just porn. They have vending machines selling porn. Its just all over their culture. On every corner they have a store thats open 24 hours a day, selling porn mags, condoms, and libido boosting drinks. 1 out of 5 mp3's or movies you dl from a japan based p2p server is frigging porno in disguise. they have a porn obsessed culture obviously they just arent getting any. not surprising because all their men look gay. even all their so called rock bands look gay. no wonder there population is diminishing.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Thursday, January 12, 2006, 17:06
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We're not trying to find a reason to accuse the US. We're not against the US. One of the great things that the US has helped to export to the rest of the world is the concept of free speech. We just DON'T LIKE YOU (or people - regardles of whether they are Americans or not- like you).
Have you not noticed that most of the flak you are getting emits from Americans? Some of those Americans are actually former and/or serving soldiers? Some of them have actually been involved in the conflicts you celebrate. You know what the problem is with you? In terms of what is meant to be integral ideology, you're not only un-American, you're anti-American. If America was entirely populated by fruitcakes like you, none of the good things America actually done in the world -like actually defeating fascism in the interest of democracy- would have happened. Thankfully you've had one or two good leaders in your history.
All i can say is, thank fuck the rest of the world is not a dumb as you! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Vicky
Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 09:57
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Definitely Mandela. I think he is a great man and an awesome role model for getting through the things he did without becoming bitter and hateful. If I have a son (some time WAAAY down the line) I will name him Nelson. Truly a legend in his own time. As far as more "shallow" icons go I wouldn't say no to a night with Beckham!
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| | | | from Jerseygirl
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 21:37
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I'm sorry but Winston Churchill was one amazing dude!!I should know--I've sat through many an hour of WWII documentaries.It's disgusting how politicians have gone to pot nowadays--I think that would have been an amazing time to be alive(during that era).
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| from pharmaboy..
Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:44
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I'd definately want to say hi to Milosevic! I admire him for making a joke of that ridiculous international war crimes court. If he was still alive Jeffrey Dahmer would also be on my list.
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Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 01:47
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Not quite a political person, but I would like to perhaps meet the head of FBI &/or CIA, just to see what they have on TF. >:)
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| from placebo
Friday, December 06, 2002 - 04:08
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I'd say John Lennon. Not a politician but I would def consider him a political figure.
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| from EyesWideShut
Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 20:11
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Who to meet...who to meet? Since I don't know jack shit about politics I think I'd like to meet Bush.--We'd have something in common. Actually Rudy Juliani stood out as a politician with real heart.
Other greats that are STILL ALIVE (my chances of meeting them are higher that way): Patricia Cornwell (mystery writer), Westlife (Irish boyband), J.K.Rowling (Author of Harry Potter series), Oprah, James Taylor (singer/writer), Meryll Streep, Avril Lavigne, and zillions of others.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Bella
Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 19:19
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I am having a tough time with this as there are soooo many political figures I would like to meet. But, of all of them, Hitler is undoubtedly at the top of my list. How in the world did one man become so powerful, that he got away with what he did?! Not to mention all of his loyal subjects. Dictators seem very intriguing as do the philosophies that motivate them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from jpmagero
Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 17:46
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Though he is not a political figure himself:
Bill Gates
...because of the effect he has had on the computer world and thus, the world.
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| from JoeH
Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 13:57
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Without giving this the thought and reflection it deserves, I'd say Bill Clinton! What a guy!
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| | | | From MERCurY
Thursday, December 12, 2002, 01:25
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I'd pick Clinton over Bush Jr. any day of the week! Bush is a fucking moron sending us into WW3. Clinton made a shitload of difference when he was president. Fuck that Monica shit. He was just unlucky enough to be found out. I don't think a single president (drooling Reagan aside) has not taken the chance to use the perks of power. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | from porceleindoll
Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 09:18
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Hmmm--Maybe Arnold Shwartzeneggar (Is that how you spell his name??), cause he's up and coming in politics and I like the guy--:)!
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| | | | | | | | | | From EyesWideShut
Thursday, December 05, 2002, 19:28
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I don't know anything about his politics, but he can be my governer any time;)
I think politics is all a show anyways; a bunch of good and bad actors spouting well-written--and not so well-written--lines. I don't know much about it but I don't feel that my learning about it will change it's effect on me and my surroundings. It's just another world; people that dream of being politicians are on another plane from me.
Admitedly clueless and shooting the breeze,
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| | From Bella
Thursday, December 05, 2002, 19:38
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Well I guess I won’t be hiring you to help me run for office one day! ;-)
BTW – very valid points there. But, before you decide whether or not politics “will change it's effect on me and my surroundings,” learn a little about it. You may actually really like it. Or, you may really hate it. Either way, give it a chance before you decide.
PS
Just think – you get to vote here soon Sunny!
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