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from tiahogan Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 13:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Wow Daniel!!! You said it all! I'm so glad we have aloquent & ferverish spokespeople on the side of those they think so little of: their children who've left the cult. Thank you for that letter to her. I'm curious as to whether she ever replied to it... I would bet she didn't. PS: Are you really very tall & thin? I met one of Ado & Kanah's sons a long time ago (1994-95) in California. Unfortunately I was VERY young and had almost no idea what I was getting myself into by rejoining (I was 14). Franky was there & I spent a week in that home going through an "evaluation" process, which I guess meant that they evaluated your intelligence & ability to be brainwashed, I was probably the dumbest cause they accepted me. Little did I know... (reply to this comment)

from Baxter Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 06:19 (Agree/Disagree?) Fuck acceptance of responsibility, fuck apportioned blame, FUCK sincere apologies! PRISON TIME! VENGEANCE!!!!! TAKE NO FUCKING PRISONERS!! (reply to this comment)

From Albatross Thursday, March 04, 2004, 08:20 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, the word I would use is JUSTICE, but yes, prison time sounds good. This letter was written when we will still making overtures to see what position they would take. We were rebuffed repeatedly, both in person and in print. (See Vandari Article).(reply to this comment)

from exister Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 13:45 (Agree/Disagree?) Well Put Daniel. Now let's start talking about specifics. As the Catholic Church's recent legal problems have shown it is very difficult to hold an organization criminally accountable for abuses perpetrated by its members, but financial accountability is easier to come by. This URL http://countercog.excult.org/html/countercog_news_16.html has a list of organizations that front for The Family. I expect the bulk of The Family's assets are in secret accounts in Switzerland, but the domestic fronts have to have assets to operate. Therefore at the very least we should be able to sue for those assets and force the domestic fronts to shut down. Here is what we need: 1. Someone willing to testify about illegal abuse suffered at the hands of a Family member. 2. A clear way to trace the accountability for that abuse back to The Family. 3. A money grubbing lawyer willing to take the case. Due to jurisdictional complications we probably won't be able to take down the global organization, but we can at least get them the hell out of the USA. Any Takers? (reply to this comment)

from pawnfondler Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 16:39 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm not sure if there is anything specific one can do to disable an organisation with no physical headquarters. The resenting feelings have often been mutual. Unfortunately besides the sexual abuse or physical abuse, the psychological abuse is not really unique to the group. I too am agnostic. I don't rule out the possibility of spirituality or forces not yet understood by modern science. After all we have to be honest enough with ourselves to know that we operate in a subjective way and deal with parigms when forming our knowlege and experience with reality. For this reason I am not an athiest. However, I find it highly unlikely that any religious view can be proven as if the events of religious were true, (if any of it were, which I doubt seriously) we would need to have the capability of time travel into the past to be able to prove any of this, even more highly unlikely, although dabling with time and matter has been played at in physics. I find any assumed text on the behalf of making a case for religion so far very circular in reasoning, or at best grossly presumptious. I guess my point is that I find too many generalities in this argument. Hate crimes work both ways in this country, I would hope that serious offenders will pay for their gross missconduct in Jail. I can think of a few, yet the mobility and closednes throught the years make such a case very difficult. We're talking about word against word. Testimonias have only so much effect without circumstantial evidence. I believe shame and contempt is probably the most damage that can be caused if any of the situations are dealt with effectively. A comprehensive in depth study of all this from a neutral perspective with facts and well documented evidence is as far as most can go through in dismantling some of the most grossly unethical behaviour. Witty arguments, and even wittier replies. You guys could double up as standup comedians. I'd pay for the show, some of you guys are really fu#king good! I don't know any feedback on these ideas? Any specific venue of returning bad carma short of illegal mob activity? I wouldn't cry if some of the worst offenders dissapeared right and left, but to cut down the source of these problems one has to deal with mental manipulation, which last time I checked is still quite prevalent in our judeochristian culture. Just look at all the "faithbased" initiatives these days. Just another excuse to impose skinnerian operant conditioning if not some pavlovian as well. (reply to this comment)

From Karma with a K Saturday, December 07, 2002, 16:45 (Agree/Disagree?) Sir, You have taught me that the ability to read and then regurgitate does not always go with the ability to make a coherant argument. Cheers(reply to this comment)

from Jerseygirl Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 21:59 (Agree/Disagree?) Had to join the site when I read this! absolutely GREAT. sure wish I could have said it but glad someone did You rule dude. (reply to this comment)

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from dave Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 20:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Right on dude.. by the way, you do speak for a LARGE (and growing) number of us. (reply to this comment)

from lucidchick Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Beautiful letter. I met you in Panama when we were both kids (probably early-mid 1980). It's so good to read this eloquent letter and know they lost your mind because it works, and they couldn't stop that! Isn't it great to think? This site (I just discovered it) is great, because we can put our heads together, and Daniel, your letter will come true. Best... (reply to this comment)

from JakartaGirl Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Nice one daniel. Thanks for writing that article. there are a lot of us behind you. I would like to take constructive action against the family to prevent other kidz going through even a little bit of what the last 24 years of my life. (reply to this comment)

from Mercy Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 23:34 (Agree/Disagree?) Rock on dude!!! (reply to this comment)

from Joe H Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 19:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Got this off of crossfire and it cracked me up: Official rebuttal of Daniel SGA's threat Posted By: PR Spooksperson Date: Monday, 24 June 2002, at 12:46 a.m. Dear Family, Please pray urgently and desperately with masturbation and tongues, calling upon the keys-become-swords. We call an emergency fast from solid foods and full intercourse for three days. Those of you who wish to go for the gold are urged for now to go for bronze, in this case spiritual masturbation and agonized bombastic tongues. We just received news that an SGA named Daniel (son of dear, precious, kind, loving, sweet, dedicated Family leaders) has just written a letter on the Internet warning our dear, sweet, kind, unselfish shepherds, Queenie Maria and King Penie, threatening that the second generation will cause us to "reap the whirlwind." Though not specifying what he and others will do, he does seem somewhat upset. When praying about it Abrahim told us specifically to bind the demons Pan, Oplexicon, Whitersnort, Bonflexus, Neggowandik, Sbiglokano and Znogorarilmiorkt. This is a severe spiritual attack, but the Family has been faced with many attacks in the past and we will weather this storm. Please pray specifically for mama as she has been crapping her pants for hours ever since reading Daniel's letter. Please pray specifically for king Penie, as since reading Daniel's letter, he has been unable to get an erection. Rebuke the spirit of fear that keeps him from "rising up in prayer." This is not a small issue, beloved. Because unless king Penie can get an erection, he is incapable of masturbating, which means he can't call out to the Lord in prayer. Those of you who have long practised the LJR know how indispensible masturbation has become to our prayer lives. Apart from fasting and prayer, we are calling upon all Homos....er Homes around the World to engage in a 24-hour, around the clock Masturbation Vigial. Specifically masturbate and shout in agonized tongues against Daniel. Masturbate for Queen Mama's health and for her to stop shitting her pants. Masturbate for King Penie, who can himself no longer masturbate. Please, we urge you loyal Family members, do not go online and read Daniel's letter. It will only cause you to doubt that the Family is the true wave of God's future. We urge those of you taking breaks from masturbation and prayer to please stick your heads in the sand and pray this threat will go away. Yours in David and Mama and Peter and all your sweet, sweet, kind, unselfish loving leadership. (reply to this comment)

From DarkAngel Thursday, November 06, 2003, 17:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Dear Joe , Thanks for sharing the latest wine with us. I couldn't help but laught incontrolably while reading it although I was trying to stay sober about this important new letter hot from the queen's quarters ... You are good man keep it up(reply to this comment)

From farmer Saturday, October 25, 2003, 19:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Dear Joe...it`s only since today, that I`ve submitted to this precious website...I am sending this off from Germany, which is a fairly "free-of-family" zone (remember the German cake dream...well, I hardly remember : ) ) ..... I am only learning what you youngsters have to say, what you went through etc... I am appalled at the magntitude of things which went wrong, but even the things I did know through letters etc gave me enough convictions to say no to that nonscriptural, unmoral and also criminal behaviour...it´s only that I have to catch up bit by bit to see more...I glanced through the contributions of Marina at exfamilyorg & read of course there from James Penn, earlier from Mene, then Rickys contributions in part...there`s an answer from an exer to one of Marinas posts & she said how she got "attacked" many nights by this beast then wished to be called elder brother (hope he heavily repented by now...who knows)...it was too bad to be true...I cried today about so many bad news..meaning it makes me mad for all that happened...seems to be the tip of the iceberg, I yet have to discover...May be you believe me, that in my 16 years in the family I didn`t encounter such diabolical stuff (except for FFing & it`s problems, soliciting funds under pretense etc., bad enough of course!!!)...what almost took the cake was, when I read, Ricky was reprimanded for reading his Bible...They must have been more insane than I could have imagined...This made me so mad... May be you take this all from an old bottle (vintage 55),who still loves to read his Bible & are reading it with my growing kids...I didn`t want my eldest son (now 15) being grouped already at the age of 1 1/2 so that`s why we left the combo in Madras 1989.... I just wanted to say thank you, you gave me a half a minute very good laugh (timespan is really about right) and I am very happy, that people have a good sense of humor here... I really needed that too after I left...best wishes Farmer(reply to this comment)

From get a grip Sunday, December 08, 2002, 10:24 (Agree/Disagree?) attempted humor, but very lame, i must say! talk about who is a bit perverse.(reply to this comment)

From DarkAngel Thursday, November 06, 2003, 17:19 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Getagrip why don't you stick with family official website,I think it would help you stay on the straight and narrow and closer to your perverted and selfrighteous idea of godliness... better yet why don't you pray for us lost souls .. ha! have a good day(reply to this comment)

From Ex-member Saturday, September 14, 2002, 09:20 (Agree/Disagree?) Lol JOE! That was too good! (reply to this comment)

From EAKae Thursday, July 11, 2002, 17:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Could ANYONE have said this better? We think not!(reply to this comment)

From dave Thursday, July 11, 2002, 20:10 (Agree/Disagree?) you're right, but they are NEVER going to get the point.. a !@#$% shame!(reply to this comment)

From Albatross Friday, July 12, 2002, 01:59 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh....Well I think we can make them "get the point." Just because it has not been done before does not mean that it can not be done in the future. The Family is very vulnerable. 25 some odd years of damning writings, coupled with the actual acts of abuse, will eventually be their downfall. They are over confident. More importantly, they believe in the guidance of a god who does not speak...and who, even if he were to speak.... would most definitly not speak to them. They rely on "his words," often to their own detriment. They also underestimate the loathing in which their childrend hold them and their perfidious deeds. They underestimate the resourses of their children. They underestimate the patience of their children. I believe in the power of the written word.....but I am no fool...I understand that words without actions are empty. I do not come on this site to spout empty rhetoric. The Family is heading towards a full-on confrontation with their victimised generation. And if we have our way we will bring the Family to it's knees. To our advantaged: the Family has deluded it's self. It believes it is doing "god's service." I have news for them....spending most of your life in the "missionary position" does not make you a missionary. The Family has operated beyond the reach of legal society for too long. It is time for that to change. Zerby, Kelly, Lonnie Davis, and many others must(and hopefully will) be brought to task for their crimes.(reply to this comment)

from Regi Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 17:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Daniel - I was just wondering how you were planning on sending the letter to them. Do you have a mailing address or an email address? I think I'll write them a similar letter, there's so much I want to say to them. Maybe more of us should write. (reply to this comment)

From prefer to remain annonymous Thursday, September 26, 2002, 11:48 (Agree/Disagree?) we actually have their (Zerby & Co) house address and we're thinking of playing a nasty little joke on them. But in the end couldn't really be arsed. I think I realised that if I care about them that much to want to spend time and money trying to make their life a misery then I'm a very sad person with no life who can not move on. I think a lot of you need to realise that you need to get over yourselves and get lives! I hate them just as much as you and would love to see them dead but I don't want to put the rest of my life on hold when so much of it has already been wasted. I've moved on - I'm successful - I'm a well adjusted normal person - I've got it all and thankfully haven't needed therapy yet but I would do if I hadn't been able to let go and forget everything. Forgeting helps, I can't remember people I knew 4 years ago but thats ok - I don't want/need to remember them anyways. They aren't people I'd be friends with now and they aren't people I care to know now. (reply to this comment)

From DarkAngel Thursday, November 06, 2003, 17:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Sorry to disagree with you but if you read your bible you'll find out that Jesus and many others did spent time exposing and figting against liars and false religious leaders .In the case of the Fam. it doesn't take a spiritual genius to understand that the entire fam. doctrine is a big lie.As it's own founder expressed "What a tangled webb did I start weawing when I first pulled out the End time Prophet stunt from Ezekiel ,from then on I had no other choices but to keep lying and making it up as the Fam. grew bigger .I now feel sorry looking up from hell and realising what a horrible mistake I have done and how many souls I have hurt,although Jesus does forgive I still have to learn my lessons and suffer the shame of my deeds for a long long long ......time.As the bible teaches God will severely punish the ones that twist the scriptures and teach others falsely. If only Maria and Peter could see it instead of making up all these horrible letters in my name ,and start helping and correcting the evils of the Fam. I might be then able to be free from some of my burdens But they are so,so so so stuborn as you know the sin of witchcraft and idolatry... I beg all of you who left the Fam. not to be bitter against your past and peoples that have hurt you but at the same time I urge you to do all you can to stop the Fam. and it's present leaders to keep teaching and spreading darkness .As you know the bible teaches that in the latter days many false prophets shall rise and I was one of them .most of what I teached was to get you off God's plan in your life also you can use some of it in the same time you have to forget most of it." So you have it Anonymous straight out of the Ass's mouth . I really am glad that Daniel and many others are doing their damn best to put a stop to the Fam. Off course getting bitter and bent out off shape all over this is a waste of time ,but standing up and exposing the weird and the evil is a noble cause and sometimes it can be quite rewarding too!!! As you know there are many sides to the elephant..... (reply to this comment)

From JoeH Sunday, December 08, 2002, 22:20 (Agree/Disagree?) If you could give me their address I'd appreciate it, I'd sure love to TP their house. Or maybe shave their dogs, toss some videotapes in the front yard, and tell the cops they're making amateur bestiality videos.(reply to this comment)

From Smacking you around Sunday, December 08, 2002, 19:32 (Agree/Disagree?) Bullll SHIT! You don't have their house address!(reply to this comment)

from Delaney Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 16:53 (Agree/Disagree?) This gave me the tingles..... I am just so curious to see how Peter & Mama are gonna react to this one.. as he already somewhat addresses their usual rebuttals (prayer/prophesies, "religious persecution" ..etc..) as being useless, & very eloquently put..-BRAVO You're awesome, dude... (reply to this comment)

from Regi Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 11:23 (Agree/Disagree?) That's great Daniel...so well said! You certainly speak for me too. I think confronting Zerby and Peter is therapeutical. (reply to this comment)

from john Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 00:37 (Agree/Disagree?) hey caryn.. so i found this here site. (reply to this comment)

from C Monday, June 24, 2002 - 09:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Daniel, How incredibly well put! I applaud you! You are the voice of thousands, who for so long were denied their own voice. But, no longer! Your eloquent words lend us all strength. And Daniel, you are not alone! There are hundreds who feel exactly like you! And each of us brings our talents and resources and vivid memories of the torture we endured to this fight. I know of three second generation ex-Family members who are in the process of applying to law school. The graduation of each of these individuals, lends more strength to this cause to bring the Family to justice. After I graduated, my peers took positions as clerks on almost every major bench in this country, US Courts of Appeals and even the US Supreme Court. They say there is a senator in every law school class. Well, it is just a matter of time before my friends and classmates take office. I already have friends who sit in the legislature on the state level. I have at least five personal friends who are District Attorneys. And that is not to mention the scores of close friends who have law licenses and practice in states all over the country. And remember all that anti-Semitic, racist and anti-American propaganda the Family tried to force on all of us? Well, that’s going to come back to haunt them in their attempts to legitimize themselves. They will never be able to deny who they really are, for we all know the truth. And we will be there to expose them for the monsters they are every step of their corrupt way. And this country, which they’ve spoken against for so long, in which their foreign nationals, including the British, have worked and lived illegally without work visas or residency, will not be tolerant after September 11! I can’t wait until the day we have them on the stand and watch them try and lie their way out of explaining “America the Whore”! (reply to this comment)

from EyesWideShut Monday, June 24, 2002 - 03:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Woohoo!!! That got me going. Well said and totally to the point. I can't wait till we can really get busy bringing them DOWN. Gambatte! (reply to this comment)

from Anthony Monday, June 24, 2002 - 00:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey brother: It was great to make contact with you again, after such a long time. As far as your article goes, I couldn't have said it better myself. Keep up the awesome work. See you later. Regards, Anthony (reply to this comment)

From C Monday, June 24, 2002, 08:59 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Anthony! Are you Anthony L.? I don't want to say your last name here. Do you have a brother named Nicky and another named Robin? If so, how the hell are you? I've been looking for you and your family for a while. You have never been far from my thoughts over the past 12 years. I hope you are all well and happy. You all were an oasis in the middle of a horrible concentration camp when I was in the Family. I can remember laughing so hard at your humor that I had to cover my mouth lest someone hear someone actually enjoying life! God forbid! Email me! Would love to hear all about your fabulous lives! I'm sure it's hilarious.(reply to this comment)

From EAKae Thursday, July 11, 2002, 17:00 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi Caryn, I think it's another Anthony you're looking for. We don't have any Robins in our family. I think I know the one you are thinking of... where do you think you were when you knew him( the other Anthony)?(reply to this comment)

From C Thursday, July 11, 2002, 21:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Mexico!(reply to this comment)

From MeccaM74 Monday, June 24, 2002, 18:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Caryn, no, this is not Anthony L., this is another Anthony whom I don't think you know. :) Sorry!(reply to this comment)

from Rocky Monday, June 24, 2002 - 00:25 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey Daniel: Great deal of truth in your article! A few of us with No Longer Children talked to Ado and Arthur a few years ago in Vancouver BC. When we quizzed them on family doctrines they would not tell the truth. I know it must be a heartache but what you have said I think is really bold and truthful. I take my hat off to you and other SGA's. In my eyes you guys are heros to get out and speak up. Keep following your dreams! Thanks a bunch! (reply to this comment)

From krissy Tuesday, September 03, 2002, 03:46 (Agree/Disagree?) too good, too good!!!(reply to this comment)