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Getting Out : Seeking Justice

Come to Jesus Meeting

from exister - Wednesday, December 27, 2006
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A first hand account of the lates FGA denial algorithm.

I finally managed to corner me mam, and have the "Come To Jesus" conversation. A couple of points are worth discussing.

My friend Don mentioned a while back that Family leadership know that Berg was whacked and are basically in damage control mode. Based on this recent conversation I believe this to be true. Once she realized that I wasn't going to buy the standard denial line, she basically admitted that Berg was a de facto pedophile (not her words) but that he was sorry for what she described as his grand social experiment gone horribly wrong. Laughable!

Basically the steps of denial and capitulation go something like this.

Mom: How do you know you can believe all of those abuse stories?
me: I was there, I was in the culture, I read the literature. As a man of science these stories ring true.
Mom: OK, bad shit happened, but Berg retracted and everyone said sorry.
me: If apologies were enough there would be no one in prison.
Mom: Well now we have child protection measures in place.
me: That's lovely, but it has no bearing on the pressing need for justice.

and on, and on, ad nauseaum. It wasn't so much an argument as my personal manifesto distilling 15 years of contemplation into 30 minutes.

As mentioned above, the biggest revelation for me is that basically all FGAs know that the Family was a cesspool of child abuse for decades. When unable to deny that they go into damage control mode and use some cowardly cop out along the lines of "well, it was the 70s, hippy culture, blah blah." I pulled no punches and yielded no slack on this point. I don't give a shit if it was the Middle Ages, those fuckers are still going down.

As icing on the cake I informed Mom that I believe in Nothing, and that I have taken up my moral stance against The Family just because I can. This final part of the discussion highlighted what I have long believed to be at the core of this conflict. There is not all that much disagreement over what happened (how can there be with such overwhelming evidence?). Rather, what we have is a culture war: persons of science who demand justice and accountability vs. religious pplz hoping to skate by with useless apologies and talk of redemption.

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from Phoenixkidd
Friday, December 29, 2006 - 08:26

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I've often wondered what our parents thought when they read some of Berg's horrid details and philosophy. Things such as blatant racism, pediophilia, economic stances and anti semitism and glossy details of history's horrors. I've often wondered how my mom could accept this foreigner and his ways of thinking. I often wondered why more people did not speak up and take their children away from such a cult. The truth is they are lazy and do not want to admit self-defeat and mind-control. I say better late than never though, but I won't push it with my parents, they have too many children too feed and society can be very cruel.
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from Rain Child
Friday, December 29, 2006 - 04:32

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I hear you, Exister.

Believe it or not, it can be hard when your parents do come around to your way of thinking. My parents have turned around completely and have nothing good to say about The Family, and my reaction was,

"WHAT!!! YOU RAISED US IN IT! YOU CAN"T JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND NOW!! YOU DON'T GET TO JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND! MY CHILDHOOD IS GONE! MY TEEN YEARS ARE GONE!! WHAT ABOUT WHEN I ASKED IF WE COULD PLEASE LEAVE WHEN I WAS LITTLE GIRL, IF I COULD PLEASE GO TO SCHOOL? WHY DIDN'T ALL THIS OCCUR TO YOU BACK THEN???

Sorry for all the caps, that's just the way it feels in my head.
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from Blondie_B78
Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 12:50

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(Agree/Disagree?)
I had a nearly identical conversation with my folks a couple of years back. I discussed with them a GN posted online where Peter encourages TF to apologise to those they have wronged but not to put it in writing. LOL! I told them that by refusing to put their apology in writing FGs showed that they were not trully sorry because they were unwilling to face any consequences for their actions. If a victim wants to forgive that's fine but what if they want to press charges? My parents were shocked and horrified at my suggestion that people who had committed abuses should be willing to accept punishment for their actions - ie. go to jail.


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