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from cheeks Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 10:45 (Agree/Disagree?) Was this guy actually in the Family at the time or was he one of the TS homes that was raided as well. All in all they raided eight homes but only two were actually Family homes. The Lyon home and the Marseilles home. (reply to this comment)

from scarface Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 09:29 (Agree/Disagree?) “The Family also considered sexual relations, particularly those of children, to be the best way to get to heaven.” The best way to get to heaven? So all those souls I saved went the second best way? I’m traumatized that someone as informed as Kristina Jones, who has been speaking out for years would say something that foolish. BTW I have been wrong many times about this stuff but salvations for “works” (even working girl works) would be the antithesis of basic cog doctrine. For by grace are ye saved through faith, amen? (reply to this comment)

From scarface Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 12:32 (Agree/Disagree?) ooops. of course i was wrong ...again. who was it that gave this newspaper that information anyway.(reply to this comment)

from Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 20:41 (Agree/Disagree?) this is an interesting artice for mthat era about the lengths they went to then..building bridges with other groups. http://wellspringretreat.org/journal/summer_1994_5-2.htmlother (reply to this comment)

From Wednesday, February 16, 2005, 20:42 (Agree/Disagree?) sorry messed up the link in the last post http://wellspringretreat.org/journal/summer_1994_5-2.html(reply to this comment)

from vraiment! Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 14:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Its interesting that TF excommunicated this guy. Let me guess..was that after he was charged but before he was convicted ? What does excommunicated mean? Does it mean he was exiled completely or does he mean his status was changed? And as everyone here is using the Catholics as a standard of moral measurement... they dont bother to excommunicate them ... they just hand them over to the lions these days. And yes.... another great Viva La France!! I've just finished swimming two more celebratory laps in my pint! (reply to this comment)

from frmrjoyish Monday, February 14, 2005 - 17:17 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeaaa France!! I now will feel absolutely no guilt in saying "french"-fry instead of freedom-fry! lol! (reply to this comment)

From scarface Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Nonsense! You can count on me to munch on freedom for the rest of my days. Take that you frenchies.(reply to this comment)

From gringomia Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 01:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Indeed, Vive la France!! Vive la Justice!! Vers le bas avec TF!!(reply to this comment)

from Nerfball Monday, February 14, 2005 - 14:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Question: What is a nerfball? Ans: A light, airy toy without much substance. Fluffy stuff that can be easily batted about. Conclusion: Looks like you're pretty good at knocking down Family nerfballs. I wonder when they'll figure out how to throw out hardballs? (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Monday, February 14, 2005, 16:26 (Agree/Disagree?) "I wonder when they'll figure out how to throw out hardballs?" Probably around the same time their Endtime super-powers kick in.(reply to this comment)

from Nerfball Apologist Monday, February 14, 2005 - 11:07 (Agree/Disagree?) This is an isolated case which in no way reflects official Family policies and practices. Every organization has its bad apples. The man has been permanently excommunicated. The rate at which this sort of thing happens in The Family is no worse than what occurs in the larger society. In fact, more Catholic priests than Family members have been charged and convicted for sexual abuse of children. (reply to this comment)

From Randi Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 04:50 (Agree/Disagree?) You must be a total retard to come on this site and say something like that!! DUH!! Have you heard our stories??? Have you bothered to read anything on here?? Most of us have been abused in ways that is beyond human!!! "This is an isolated case which in no way reflects official Family policies and practices" WTF does that mean?? Most of us have been abused, this is not an isolated anything. DENIAL DENIAL that is what your statements are screaming!! The man has been excommunicated... great so you (Im assuming youre a family member or one of their fans) send the the fuckers out to us normal people huh? How Godly and Jesus like of you. Yes thats the loving thing to do. So you have excommunicated one of your outed perverts.... but that is so hypocritical... TFs leaders, have you thought about excommunicating them for their sick ways...Have they at least been on partial... like no sex or tv for 3 months or whatever psycho punishments that friek show has cooked up?? Oh right they would have to excom themselves... What a joke. And I demand an apology for that ludicrus insane  insensitive retarded remark... Thank you(reply to this comment)

From celestej Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 03:01 (Agree/Disagree?) Nerfball Apologist that is the most ignorant, brainwashed load of horseshit I've ever heard! you're obviously completely clueless or in utter denial.  How dare you come onto a website founded by and for the hundreds (thousands?) of victims of TF's "isolated incidents" of abuse and make such a false and outrageous statement.  Although coming from someone who sounds as if they are still a loyal member of the cult, such a lack of any sense of reality is hardly surprising.(reply to this comment)

From moon beam Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 06:31 (Agree/Disagree?) So far! (reply to this comment)

From Baxter Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 05:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Firstly, the Catholic Church is considerably older, larger and more visible than you- it's been at it for longer, and is somewhat better at lying. Secondly, the trend of child abuse in the church was only made visible because the enormous anger of the victims who grew up- the Catholic Church would have loved to keep it under wraps; the number of Catholic priests in prison does not necessarily reflect the scale of the problem of paedophilia in the church, nor by token does the same measurement stand for the Family. Thirdly, under no circumstances -NO CIRCUMSTANCES- does the gravity of a crime decrease in direct proportion to its social frequency. (reply to this comment)

From Lance Monday, February 14, 2005, 22:32 (Agree/Disagree?) It is supremely foolish and directly infantile of you to compare the family to the catholic church. The only comparison that can be made between the two is their direct(albeit recent)connection with pedophilia. And if that is the only connection then you might as well compare the family with, say, Michael Jackson. While both the family and the catholic church are religious organizations there is far more they do not have in common then they do have in common. This makes for an analogous fuck up that defines perfectly well both the family's small intellect and their own narcissistic complex. You cannot under any circumstances compare a religious body comprising over one billion people who share a faith that has existed for two thousand years to a puny, thirty year old cult. Such a comparison is only a flamboyant potrayal of your own ignorance. (reply to this comment)

From Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 10:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Perhaps a little off topic here, but it seems most of you would benefit from some in depth information about the Roman Catholic Church, which I won’t get into here. But there is an abundance of it. Some headlines are. It is documented the biggest institution for all types of ritual abuse that ever existed. What has publicly surfaced is nothing to what still exists. The RCC never was a Christian church, although she poses as such for good reasons. The only reason she has existed for nearly 2000 years is because people’s stupidity can easily outlast her. She is parasite of and keeps in bondage those who worships her. What TF has in common with the RCC could be hard to say in a few lines, but apparently they do get some inspiration from that institution, and I do not mean so much the abuse issue. (reply to this comment)

From Greensack Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 14:20 (Agree/Disagree?) Most forms of western christianity can be traced to the Roman Catholic Church, or to expelled branches of Heretical or Gnostic traditions. Including the COG/FAM. Im surprised there isn't more of an interest in this subject.(reply to this comment)

From dare2b Monday, February 14, 2005, 19:15 (Agree/Disagree?) I am a first-generationer with a more than a few grey hairs. To comment: it is appropriate that he has been excommunicated. However, bear this in mind. I have witnessed the behaviour of sick leadership in corrupt (secular) organisations. When the heat is on, denial is followed by pinning the blame. A lower level dispensible is kicked out and the announcement made, "we fixed the problem, now all is clean." A clever smokescreen, but I have been there before. The issue here is: what about the other kids, now adults, who have been subjected to multiple, criminal abuse without recourse so far? The case stories of abuse list dozens of cases that can be prosecuted for statutory rape. This is no fun and games. The Family is at a crossroads, and a very serious one. What are they going to do about it?(reply to this comment)

From thinker711 Monday, February 14, 2005, 15:15 (Agree/Disagree?) "more Catholic priests than Family members have been charged and convicted for sexual abuse of children" The Catholic Church is a much larger organization and cannot, then, be directly compared to the family (percentage would be a more accurate comparison). Also, the Catholic Church eventually cooperated with authorities and turned over the names of guilty priests. The Family, to date, has not turned over ANY names. If the family were to turn over the legal names and information on all known offenders, the ratio of pedophiles to non-pedophiles would likely be MUCH greater in the Family than the Catholic Church or society at large. (reply to this comment)

From Nancy Monday, February 14, 2005, 13:30 (Agree/Disagree?) "This is an isolated case." Wrong, dead wrong! There are scores and scores of cases in which children were either molested or raped in the Family. "...which in no way reflects official Family policies and practices." Apparently, you don't read your own cult publications. Your very leader is a pedophile who espoused and practiced child molestation. Your current leader Zerby stated in her "Mama's 1993 Summit Jewels" that sexual fondling of minors was okay. "The rate at which this sort of thing happens in The Family is no worse than what occurs in the larger society." "The larger society" of what? Sexually exploitative religious cults? Your cult is teeming with pedophile attracted by the cult's deviant sexual policies and practices. "...more Catholic priests than Family members have been charged and convicted for sexual abuse of children." Unlike the Catholic Church and many other religions and churches, your cult actually condoned and practiced sexual molestation of minors as part of its doctrine. The Catholic Church could maybe be accused of conspiring to cover up sexual abuse. The Family conspired to actually abuse children. Big difference! The abuse came from the top down and was part of the cult's doctrines and practices. It was never isolated. The leadership of the cult was the guiltiest, those who conceived, designed, practiced and promoted the abuse. Nice try, but you really must get a more gullible audience than the cult's own victims. Try the cult's current membership. They're known to be quite ignorant and gullible. (reply to this comment)

From Vraiment! Monday, February 14, 2005, 11:49 (Agree/Disagree?) Dear Nurfball, When was this person permanently excommunicated? (reply to this comment)

From vraiment! Monday, February 14, 2005, 12:47 (Agree/Disagree?) And is the child still in TF?(reply to this comment)

From xolox Monday, February 14, 2005, 11:37 (Agree/Disagree?) The Catholic church has been around almost 2000 years, genius!(reply to this comment)

From Albatross Monday, February 14, 2005, 11:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Nerfball Apologist: "more Catholic priests than Family members have been charged and convicted for sexual abuse of children." Daniel Roselle: " So far Nerfball...but we are working to fix that discrepancey."(reply to this comment)

from xolox Monday, February 14, 2005 - 10:11 (Agree/Disagree?) Go on Zerby, tell us there's never been a conviction now! This is only the first of hopefully many. (reply to this comment)

from conan Monday, February 14, 2005 - 09:56 (Agree/Disagree?) And we have a start!!! Go France! (reply to this comment)

from Jaded Monday, February 14, 2005 - 09:29 (Agree/Disagree?) now thats the kind of precedent we can use... thank you France. (reply to this comment)

From Albatross Monday, February 14, 2005, 09:45 (Agree/Disagree?) Viv la France!(reply to this comment)