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from surfer Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 08:16 (Agree/Disagree?) what a lame complaint, ed priebe hurt my feelings by staring at me. Can't you come up with anything better? What a crybaby. His artwork abused me? If he wanted to abuse you he could have because sex with minors was allowed at that time, but he didn't. What, so you weren't abused but you want us to feel sorry for you? Hey, if I had a choice to read Mountain Man for the 20th time or read one of Hart's comics, I would always go with the comics, call me wierd. Also, my parents were already "warped" before Hart began drawing pictures so don't try to blame him. Put the blame where it really belongs, on the Zerb, Hamsterdam, Berg, etc. Ed, you don't need to apologize, you have more balls than anyone on this website as you proved in the Philippines. You did something about it instead of typing on your computer whining about how much your life sucks. "Don't get mad, get even." You da man. (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Wednesday, October 06, 2004, 11:04 (Agree/Disagree?) I'll take Yvonne's word for it that we were at the HCS at the same time, although I have no memory of it. If what she described really happened or even if Yvonne felt that I had looked at her lasciviously, then I certainly do owe her an apology. My sister-in-law is quite a beautiful young woman, and she's told my wife and I with feelings of disgust how she feels when certain men 'look her over.' I'm glad you liked my art. Looking back now,I think it was pretty weird and disjointed. I tried earning a living doing art after I left the Family and nearly starved. I do owe your generation an apology for all the damage I did during my years in WS, which is why I just posted something on 'Generations.'(reply to this comment)

From moon beam Wednesday, October 06, 2004, 11:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Ed, I have just read your apology and I would like to say it was hard to hold back the tears. I was involved with getting the UK courtcase up and running and it was like an *answer to prayer* when I heard what you had accomplished in regard to getting your hands on all those pubs and videos. Up untill then there was only a few mo letters which I had left with, and quite alot of TF calling people like me liars. I was only 13(A year after leaving) when I became involved with talking openly about TF and my experiences within it, and at times it was extremely discouraging, (sometimes to the point where I had to question myself and my sanity) esp as my main concern was for my sister and all the SGA's left behind. I am gratefull for this place (Thanks Jules) where our experiences can be validated, and hearing from more culpaple ex-members as yourself and James Penn are a very important, to me at least, part of the leaving and understanding, and moving on process. Whats more I believe this site has become a *testiment* to all we went through and is collectively a *statment* of our past, present and future. K (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Thursday, October 07, 2004, 09:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Moon beam, I’m so thankful that I was able to help validate your testimony and that the videos helped prove what you and others suffered really happened. I communicated years ago with the grandmother, Gill Turl, who initiated the British court case but I wasn’t able to follow what happened from a distance (this was before e-mail was up). All I heard re: the videos was that one young SG had given her testimony but the Family called her a liar, then the videos were played proving that what she'd said was true. It's been hard to read ‘The Judgement of Lord Justice Ward’ because of the way the split-screen text goes off to one side (maybe that's just my computer), but just the other day I read the section about the videos and was tremendously encouraged where he said, “I gave leave to the Plaintiff to file further evidence and she produced a number of video tapes said to emanate from The Family. The Family were indignant at their production and that indignation arose in part from the obvious fact that the production of these tapes utterly destroyed the case that had earlier been presented by them.” He added, “Those tapes exploded the Defendant's denial.” After all the wrong I did in WS coverups and denials, it’s very heartening to know that I later played a part in exploding their denial and destroying their case. (reply to this comment)

From moon beam Thursday, October 07, 2004, 10:27 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm sure this apology will continue to make waves where it should, I will be sending it to my Dad. It was difficult, The best memory was at one point I was asked to watch a fellowship meeting vid and the defence were trying to discredit me, and say I wasn't part of this group. They stopped the tape before a song and asked me to sing it, It was "Did Charlie make a monkey out of you" By the chorus they were convinced. The look on their faces!! (reply to this comment)

from yvonne Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 12:18 (Agree/Disagree?) I am still bothered by the post from Ed Priebe. At the risk of him getting pissed by what I'm going to say, and not aplogizing to me, I'll tell you/him why. I find this tactic of ridiculing or blaming anyone who puts forth a different opinion sucks. It's a classic defense mechanism trying to silence or suppress those who don't agree with you. I've seen this much more on other boards, so I guess I should have expected it from Ed Pribe. Ed Priebe seems paraniod to me, like every opposing thought to his is a conspiracy against him or whatever. That's why I greatly prefer to read movingon, because different ideas are more respected. And some peopel like Jules are very cool and not bigoted and paranoid, which helps set the tone, or at least influences it in a more open minded way. And back to this big deal about posting under 2 names. -Like 50 million other people on this site haven't done likewise at some time? --Especially when I was going to be bringing up something personal, something I'm still not sure how open to be about. In fact, I bet even the oh-so-holy Ed Priebe has even posted under 2 different names at times! Who knows, maybe even here on movingon. For example, there's another certain post (bashing me) where the write quotes someone else, and uses formal quoatation marks. From searching and checking out a bunch of comments by Ed Priebe on other boards, and his classes etc let me just say it sure seems like Ed Priebe's precise style of writing. For that matter, who's to say that Ed Priebe isn't the WC coordinator from exfamily (WC is a toilet in Europe. What does it stand for here?), as Whiskers/Priebe attempts to ridicule in the other post. Just compare the writing styles. (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Saturday, October 02, 2004, 15:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Yvonne, maybe I am a little paranoid but I think a certain amount of that goes with the territory, especially given recent history. For example, just now you hinted that I was WC (the coordinator of exFamily). I am not him, as Jules and others could confirm. In fact, I am not even Whiskers. Yet several months ago, someone who identified him/herself as Researcher, engaged in a campaign to accuse Sam of being arrested for sexually propositioning a minor. WC (the real WC, not me)found that California law had been fraudulently spliced together to to try to make this appear to be the case, and Jules just reposted WC's post in a recent answer to you. However, at the time Researcher assumed that WC was Ed Priebe and said that the Canadian revenue service should investigate me. Yet now you, under the name Sheryl, said that the U.S. government should investigate pywackit paisan, then made your post about me. To me it seemed like the same tactics as before, and this was why I thought it was someone who was upset at Sam, WC and I. I'd be happy to find out that there is more to the story than that, but you can see why it looked the same. (reply to this comment)

from yvonne Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 11:56 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok, so I'm responding to you, Ed Priebe. First of all, thanks for admitting that you do need to apologize to us. I'd have to say thanks, and this says something for Ed Priebe, the former bigwig WS editor. It's hard for me to find time to get on the boards, as much as I'd like to, between my classes, studying and 2 parttime jobs. This is my morning off so coming on now I am kind of surprised there's been such a big deal on what I posted, like it's such a big thing to have posted with two different names. Anyway, I'm glad an apology will be coming from Ed Priebe, to all of us and I hope to me personally. You see, Ed, to answer your question when these things happened, these things happened at two different times, years apart and this is something I've carried with me too long. The first was when I was a little girl and you were in the same home as my family. The second time I met you was at the HCS in Japan when I was in my teens, and I will add you seemed like a typcial very smug WS type. So maybe that's why you don't remember me. As for the way you stared at me, like a sexual predator, I don't know if a guy, especially an older man like you, would understand. But an apology from you, Ed Priebe or Hart, would go a long way. So I'll check back for it. Or you could email me. (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Saturday, October 02, 2004, 16:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Yvonne, first of all, you are right when you say that I owe you and all SGs an apology for my involvement in WS because it was during those years that I worked with Berg and Zerby to oppress and hurt your generation. Looking back now, I am disgusted. My involvement in certain pubs in particular was reprehensible. In a fews days I intend to post a full apology and accounting. Whether you are sympathetic to the Family or not really has no bearing, because the fact is, I AM guilty. When you wrote the first part of your post (where you said I should apologize for my art and writing) you precipitated me finally writing a full accounting down. I'd been thinking about it for a long time, but your post was what made me decide that it was time, and I started it the same day. So thank you for being the final catylist. I was suspicious that you were sympathetic to the Family but I may be wrong, and if so, I apologize for my paranoia and overreacting. I didn't know who you were and your two statements didn't seem to line up, so my immediate reaction was that it was part of the old Researcher campaign to get me. Yes, I thought you might even have been referring to two different incidents, one when you were a child, then again later when you were a teen at the HCS -- but though I searched my memory I couldn't think of any girl I knew as a child (when I was drawing TKs) who was later at the HCS. I now think I know who you might be. There was one young girl whose Family I lived with before I started drawing TKs (but was working on artwork) who later ended up at the HCS. She was the only person I can think of who I knew before, who ended up in Japan. Rather than guess out loud, I'll write you an e-mail, as I think you left your address on one of your posts. Yvonne, I honestly have no memory of looking at you in the way you described, but because I disputed it here on the public boards, making it seem like you were not telling the truth, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't remember it happening, but as you said, being a guy I might have made you feel uncomfortable without being aware of it. I am so sorry if that is the case. At this point in my life I want to validate what you and other SGs suffered and had to put up with in the Family, not invalidate, and if I have hurt or offended you personally, you certainly deserve an apology from me. (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Saturday, October 02, 2004, 17:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Yvonne, could you please write me at edpriebe@fastmail.fm and let me know your e-mail address so I can write you? Thank you. I promise to keep your identity confidential.(reply to this comment)

from surfer Monday, September 27, 2004 - 03:04 (Agree/Disagree?) come on people, how could you blame Yvonne/Sheryl. She's just obeying the witch and being a "snake in the grass." Hey Yvonne, why didn't Jesus tell you before you posted that someone would figure it out? I think you need to go to 3 years of cleaning toilets in Bangkok to clean up your connection with god! Can I hear a hallelujah? (reply to this comment)

from surfer Monday, September 27, 2004 - 03:04 (Agree/Disagree?) come on people, how could you blame Yvonne/Sheryl. She's just obeying the witch and being a "snake in the grass." Hey Yvonne, why didn't Jesus tell you before you posted that someone would figure it out? I think you need to go to 3 years of cleaning toilets in Bangkok to clean up your connection with god! Can I hear a hallelujah? (reply to this comment)

from whiskers Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 00:41 (Agree/Disagree?) Posted by Curious: Check this out, thanks to MovingOn’s cool features & software! Go to the Community tab on the left and click on Web Site User Directory. Check out the name “Yvonne” and you’ll see that she registered as a user on Sept.23, 2004, then her first post that same day, Sept.23, was an accusation against Ed Priebe. Yvonne accidentally hit the post button before she finished, and now she comes back on Sept.25 and says, “What I wrote in my original post but which got deleted or dropped for some reason is that the real life Ed Priebe was weird in more ways than just his artwork.” Only she forgot that she used the name Yvonne in the first post, and this time posts as Sheryl. So Sheryl and Yvonne are the same person by her own accidental admission. Check MovingOn’s Web Site User Directory again and you’ll see that Sheryl (aka Yvonne) also registered as a user on Sept.23, 2004. So Sheryl/Yvonne registered two aliases on the same day. What a stroke of genius that Jules required people to register before they can post on her board. Not only did Sheryl/Yvonne immediately use her newfound access to the MovingOn board to make insinuations against Ed Priebe, she then went to an old post about Sam Ajemian, posted last June, to make a point of publicly “outing” a poster, “pyewackit paisan” whom she supposes is a coordinator of the exFamily board, and Sheryl/Yvonne goes on to give what she believes is pyewackit paisan’s legal name and work place (!) tho pyewackit paisan has committed no crimes. I don’t believe MovingOn’s privacy rules allow this, so it would be worth looking into. Sheryl/Yvonne ends with a veiled threat against pyewackit paisan: “I wonder if her boss and the taxpayers who pay her salary are aware of her cult and lesbian background, and most of all that she is carrying on her crusade on their computer and server, and during work hours?” Isn't this called stalking? The connection? In the original post about Sam Ajemian, “Researcher” assumed that WC was Ed Priebe and was a coordinator of the GenX board. Now Sheryl/Yvonne is making a crusade of trying to out and smear two people, both of whom she believes are coordinators of the GenX board. It appears Sheryl/Yvonne is working hand in hand with Researcher. That was Researcher's exact same modus operandi a few months ago, trying to out coordinators and make threats against them. It appears that Researcher & Sheryl/Yvonne have a vendetta against the GenX board, or against all high-profile FG enemies of the Family. First Researcher tries to implicate Sam Ajemian in accusations of child abuse by splicing/forging California laws — which is a criminal offense. When that is exposed as fraudulent, Sheryl/Yvonne shows up and says Ed Priebe (who is said to be a coordinator of exFamily) once oggled her lasciviously, then trys to “out” pyewackit paisan by legal name and workplace (who is also said to be a coordinator of GenX). Interestingly enough, someone posted accusations against James Penn recently on MovingOn, and even several SGs wondered if that poster was a Family mole using their boards to attack ex-members. Check MovingOn’s Web Site User Directory again and you’ll notice that a certain “Lisa” registered as a new user on Sept.12, 2004 and the very next day, Sept.13, her first post was an attack on James Penn saying, “does anyone besides me think james penn is an idiot? this man whom everyone seems to think is a brave, whistleblower, seems to me to be a middle age man making a last desperate grap at attention.” I don’t believe MovingOn’s rules allow for this kind of behavior, and it might be worth it for Jules to track the IP s, e-mail addresses and see if there’s a connection — perhaps a Family connection. Is this part of their new cyber-warfare? It looks like an investigation is in order. (reply to this comment)

From Jules Sunday, September 26, 2004, 00:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Could you please stop this reposting? The people Sheryl has written about are more than able to speak for themselves and general conspiracy theories from people who know nothing about specifics are not useful. I just posted the comment below in response to this same message when it was posted on exfamily.org. ***************** Before this spins too far out of control, let me just say that I am not about to "investigate" any of the MovingOn participants and here is why. If Sheryl is a Family member, if she is an SG, she is welcome. MovingOn.org is for people born and raised in the Family and participation is not regulated by someone's beliefs or whether or not they are Family members. How on earth could we enforce that anyway? Some people who have left the Family adhere to the group's beliefs more than some people who are still currently members. Despite the "criteria for being a true exmember" lists that circulate on all the exmember sites, I think those ideas are ridiculous. People move on (or not) in their own time and on their own schedule. Violating the privacy of a participant is not permitted and I have explained this to Sheryl and removed the personally identifiable information. http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=1&Cat=10&ID=2010#27848 Over the four years MovingOn.org has been online, many current Family members have visited and participated on the web site. Many of them have since left the Family, although others have not. MovingOn was designed as an open, uncensored and "real" dialogue on growing up in the Family and life for us now. To limit discussion to only one viewpoint would be to do exactly what we accuse the Family of doing. Also, almost everyone (including myself) has been suspected of being a "Family spy" or "sympathiser" by other participants on that web site at some point. A bit of paranoia is just part and parcel of a discussion forum for our particular demographic. The Family obviously reads MovingOn, since they quote us all the time in their publications. If members or representatives wish to engage in discussion, that's terrific. We have been asking for this very thing for a long time now. The only time anyone is "investigated" on MovingOn is if a minor may be in danger and this happens privately and quietly. (reply to this comment)

from Sheryl Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 19:39 (Agree/Disagree?) What I wrote in my original post but which got deleted or dropped for some reason is that the real life Ed Priebe was weird in more ways than just his artwork. If you ever met him, you'd have to remember the intense odd eyes. I always felt like he was watching me, you know how you get this feeling and look up and someone is staring at you? Well in this case, more often than not when I did look up he was watching me, in a real icky sexual way. I'd look up and see him eyeballing me, and then he'd give me this sickening pervo grin. When I was in the same home as him in Japan, he was always hitting on me even though I was just barely a teenager. I mean this guy looked the part of a pervert, so I'm sure he's got a few skeltons. So it's more than than just his weird artwork, or the things he wrote or edited that got crammed down our throats, that I would expect an apology for. (reply to this comment)

From Ed Priebe Sunday, September 26, 2004, 00:42 (Agree/Disagree?) To Jules and everyone, please know that I read the MovingOn board almost daily but have not posted here before out of a desire to respect your space. This is your board and my generation has earned the mistrust and suspicion that you feel toward us. To be specific, I am guiltier than most, because former WS staff such as myself were accomplices in the crimes of Berg and Zerby. We were prime culprits in helping Berg and Zerby oppress and indoctrinate you. In answer to the original question, "Does Ed Priebe owe us an apology?" the answer is a resounding yes. You not only deserve an apology from me, but you have the right to know the level of my personal culpability in the evil regime. I’ve already written a lengthy expose of the Family's involvement in military coups in the Philippines, but that was easy compared to the apology I must make to you now. Please give me a few days to write it out. I intend to post a detailed letter implicating myself in WS's lying propaganda that hurt so many of you. I look back on those years in WS as wasted and worse than wasted. I am utterly and completely ashamed of the publications I have worked on. I am in the midle of writing that and am only posting now to address the remarks made by Yvonne, who has now inadvertenly identified herself as Sheryl also. Sheryl, I do not recall ever having met you in Japan. You said that I had “odd intense eyes that would stare right through you.” I have often been told that my stare was intense and I regret that I sometimes intimidate people. The fact that I have pale blue eyes doesn’t help. Just before I went to live with Berg, my shepherdess took me aside and ordered me, “Whatever you do, don’t stare at Dad!” My stare apparently disturbed Maria as well. When she excommunicated me, one of the chief phrases she used to describe me was that I had an “intense stare.” But I don’t believe we actually met. For one thing, you say that you lived in the same Home with me in Japan (which would be at the HCS from 1989-1990) but you also say, “I lived in the same home as Ed Priebe when I was a kid. I remember seeing some of the comics that he drew at the time and thinking the artwork was bad. I later saw a bunch of his comics published in a book.” However, by 1989-90 I had long ceased drawing and was only writing and researching. I had not drawn comics for many years and the ones I did had been put in a book long before I went to Japan. You also said, “When I was in the same home as him in Japan, he was always hitting on me even though I was just barely a teenager. I mean this guy looked the part of a pervert.” You add, “he was watching me, in a real icky sexual way. I'd look up and see him eyeballing me, and then he'd give me this sickening pervo grin.” What you describe did not happen. If you were truly in Japan with me, you would know that I was madly, head over heels in love with an American woman (more in love than I’ve ever been in my life) and I literally did not have eyes for anyone else. I was so in love with her that when she rejected me, I wept for hours every day and my heart physically ached. I’m not going to name her, but she knows who she is. Yvonne or Sheryl, whichever name you prefer, I now need to ask you some questions, because to be honest I believe you are either a Family member or else someone strongly sympathetic to the Family. Today I went to this site’s Web Site User Directory and found that on September 23, 2004, a few days ago, you registered as a new user under the name “Yvonne.” Then the first thing you did that same day was to write your first post against me under the name Yvonne. That same day you also registered on this site as “Sheryl.” You then went to an old article about Sam Ajemian, found a post by a poster named “pyewackit paisan” (whom you stated was a coordinator of the exFamily board) and “outed” her giving what you believed was her full legal name, and the name of her workplace. I believe you have violated the rules of MovingOn in so doing since “pyewackit” has committed no crimes. You then darkly suggested that the U.S. government should investigate her for her past in the cult and her former lesbian tendencies. You said all this under the name “Sheryl.” It must have taken you many weeks of research to find the information you posted, and when you had it, you came to this site, registered as "Sheryl" and posted it, outing an innocent person and urging the U.S. government to persecute her. You then came back over to your post about me and realized it had been cut off, so said, “What I wrote in my original post but which got deleted or dropped for some reason is that the real life Ed Priebe was weird in more ways than just his artwork.” You then went on to make voyeurist accusations against me, but—forgetting that you had posted against ME as "Yvonne"—signed your continued accusations as "Sheryl", the name you had accused pyewackit under. This looks as if you wanted to attack two high-profile ex-members, abusing the hospitality of the MovingOn board in the process, and accuse us under different names. I am therefore asking the coordinators of this board to please do a full investigation into your activities. To Jules and all other readers, please forgive me for having taken up space in your board to respond to Yvonne/Sheryl’s accusations. This is your board and I feel like an intruder. I will only be making one more major post on this board and then I will cease interfering in your space. Yvonne/Sheryl has accused me of wrongful behavior which I did not commit. However, the truth is that through my complicity in the criminal organization of WS, I AM truly guilty of oppressing and causing grief to your generation, and I am horribly ashamed of the years wasted in WS. I intend to give you a full accounting in a few days. Ed Priebe(reply to this comment)

From Fish Sunday, September 26, 2004, 09:32 (Agree/Disagree?) To hell with accounting!! Just explain that ‘Dark forest of Germany’ TK to me and Ill be happy. “Is this you? BEWARE!!” is seared upon my memory. (see below) I feel I need closure. That and what was up with those skin tight outfits? Umkay? And who the hell is ‘Mighty Woaton’?(reply to this comment)

From Pete Saturday, November 13, 2004, 01:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Wotan (Odin), chief of the Norse/Germanic gods.(reply to this comment)

from Fish Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah I particularly liked the TK work he did. “The Flood” “The Emergency” “The Nuclear Nightmare” etc.. He always drew men with these bizarre skintight outfits on. And what was up with “maria” always having these huge boobs and “grandpa” having Arnold’s body? I have half a mind to sue him for psychological abuse for his “Dark forest of Germany” (‘compiled’ by hart). What the hell was that? All of sudden out of nowhere this page length head appears with the caption “Is this you? BEWARE!!!” written under it. Wow man that’s heavy shit there… (reply to this comment)

From ah, but Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:56 (Agree/Disagree?) Remember when Mo started on his Heavenly City - Millenium - Poster kick, how neatly Mr. Ed stacked all the melons in the market where you didn't have to pay for anything?(reply to this comment)

from Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:17 (Agree/Disagree?) yep, definitely should apologize for the art work. (reply to this comment)

From night_raver Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:32 (Agree/Disagree?) YEs yes YES!!! someone "blame Canada" quick, that bastard Canadian sure did sume weird art, I guess he was on acid or somethin, it definitely warped my mind worse than "Uncle Fucker" warped Cartman. I feel it's now time to tell everyone that Hart was secretly in league with Terence and Phillip, or maybe I've had a few too many margaritas. In any case I don't care, it's time to blamme CVanada for all that weird art, and get big gay Al down here quick to execute Sterene and Ohilip. (reply to this comment)

From frmrjoyish Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Why Gio, margarita's?? Already?? Well.........I guess it is after noon! Enjoy! ; )(reply to this comment)

From night_raver Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:55 (Agree/Disagree?) dazng girl, quick comments, as it happens, today at work we went for our weekly planning meeting -- only issue was the Director just finalised a divorce and brought margaritas to celebrate with her staff -- I got paid for a full day to get trashed, not too bad. And girl, call me sometime okay? Hell, I'm wanting to come down on a Friday night to Main St Lounge so meet me there kay?(reply to this comment)

From surfer Friday, September 24, 2004, 14:16 (Agree/Disagree?) I thought that Hart's artwork was cool, especially when I was a kid. It seemed like the dreams/hallucinations he drew for were always exciting or scary and I liked the stories. Hell, anything seemed interesting after an hour of heartsharing, two hours of JJT, two hours of word time, two hours of quiet time etc. Yeah his wacked out cartoons were kind of an escape. (reply to this comment)

From Weeder Wednesday, October 06, 2004, 01:33 (Agree/Disagree?) I would have to say that Hart was definitely the worst Family artist ever. And anyone else I talked with about this agrees too. I mean, who else agrees with me?(reply to this comment)