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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Baxter
Friday, October 27, 2006 - 05:24
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When one considers the similarities between this guy and Berg, the full extent of his crimes becomes very disturbing indeed. It would have been very illuminating to watch the result of a trial of Berg, had he ever been brought ot justice. I cannot help but wonder how he would have behaved, and what he might have said, had he been brought to bear for his actions, and the justifications that he offered. Given that his state of mind seems uncanniy similar to this person, one is also compelled to consider what he might have been capable of.
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| | | | from SeanSwede
Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 08:14
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Its very possible that he heard voices. In that case they were sound illusions obviously. It makes me wonder if he was actually schizofrenic. I bet alot of horrible criminals who have commited horrendous crimes do it because of a psychiatric disorder, but because of the nature of certain crimes, the authorities see past that or are pressured somehow to go along with the convictment and sentence the individual to death no matter what.
It was just a thought.
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| | | |  From AnnaH
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 20:15
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I'd be careful about tacking on the term "schizophrenic" to every disilusioned nut who commits a crime. Especially since there's little evidence to support that. Not all schizos commit horrendous crimes and if and when they do, they are capable of feeling remorse.
The fact that this man so calmly executed an entire family including children doesn't seem consistent with the irratic, frenzied behavior characteristic of schizophrenia. It sounds more like Anti-Social Personality Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy. The DSM outlines the symptoms as follows:
- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
- deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
- lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
- By secluding one's self from society (e.g. lunchtimes at school) and placing themselves every time in the same area (e.g. Drum room)
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| | | | | | | | From Nick
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 08:59
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Yeah, the poor dude had a "condition" that made him plan out, kill, burry and then make the rest of his followers keep quite. It was not him, it was his “disorder” that made him do it.
Did you know that the only reason that he was caught is because he took the wife of one of his followers for himself and the jealous follower turned him in?
I think we should forgive all the pedophiles in the world because they have a rare condition called “NAMBLA Syndrome” that MADE them want sex with 12 yr old boys.
Anyway, the way I see it is that if someone kills a person and it was caused by a “disorder”, this person is still a killer and needs to be locked up or executed before this “disorder” makes him kill again. Just the same as if persons “evilness” made him do it and we lock them up before his “evilness” makes him do it again.
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| | From SeanSwede
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:21
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There are hundreds of millions of pedofiles in the world. Are we to just hunt them all down and kill them? I have often wonderd, strange as it may sound, if there could be some kind of medical explaination to why their are so many pedofiles in the world and why they keep coming. Are they just born evil or something or could it be some medical disorder?
Imagine how many millions of tiny babies who are being born this very second the world over, will one day grow up and have an unhealthy and unnormal sexual taste called pedophelia amongst other things. Think of it that way. We have to remember that pedophelia isnt anything new. Its been around for as long as life has. I have often wonderd if it would really help to "find and kill" pedophiles, rapists, murderers etc etc. Its like for every one that is killed or jailed, more and more will keep poping up. I mean, the gays seem to have had a break thru. Man has come to terms with it, we have tried to understand it and we seem to have been successful, but I am in no way saying that that pedofiles should have a break thru either, ABSOLUTLY NOT!! I think that they should be rehabilitated or SOMETHING. We need to try to understand this problem somehow and see if its curable. But than the question I might get is "well, than we should find a cure against homosexuality right?" I mean we cant just send all of the pedophiles to jail, our jails will totally overflow. We shouldnt kill them, that wouldnt be ethical. I think that they would perhaps need something else.
This IS quite a huge discussion and also a very sensitive one, but it seems that when we humans can not understand or refuse to or want to try to understand and/or investigate something that we dont understand, we always seem to resort to destroying it. Kill kill kill, destroy, annihilate, blow it up and see what happens, just because it happens to touch a sensitive spot in our feelings.
Its terrible for all of the victims of these acts to have lived thru such a damn and merciless ordeal. Im sure alot of us have had terrible sexual experiences happen to us one time or another when we were kids. Thank goodness I dont remember them too well anymore. I am interessted more in facing the problem head on and try to investigate with others on these types of issues. Try compareing pedophelia with murderers. I mean think about all of the horrendous acts that man has possibly come up with, such as mass slaughters, rapings, serialkillers, killing and maming of innocent civilians in war time"oh, but those are just casualties of war" Casualties, CASUALTIES. For fuck sake get real! Here we are with our hurt little feelings when when we read the newspaper about a pedophile incident when there are much MUCH larger issues at stake out there in the world. All we say is "ho hum, more wars and killings and suicide bombings, mamings, beheadings, hangings and torture" and bla bla bla. We seem to have become numb to it.
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| | From AnnaH
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 20:30
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Well, I think first we have to determine if the cause of pedophilia stems from nature or nurture, genetics or upbringing. If it is genetics, can we really hope to cure it through conventional methods? How can we alter DNA? I don't think we can let them out on society on medication and trust them to take them.
If it's the case of upbringing we might be able to reform them, but then there's the old saying, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks." Maybe they can be reformed, but if abuse has taken such a deep root in their psyche then it's likely not. At least with reformation we can hope to teach them that while they might have those urges, it's certainly not okay to act them out. Appetites are one thing, but people still have freedom of choice. Once you cross the line when appetites become actions is when we throw your ass in jail and throw away the key. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Eric Cartman
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 16:22
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Ok, I have nothing to back this up, it's just an impression I have. Seeing the profiles and mug shots of notorious pedofiles, I get the impression that most are weakly, and have traits whether physical or mental, that make them unappealing to adult members of the opposite sex. Many seem to have suffered abuse, or been the subject of ridicule in their younger years, in their marriage, or at work.
My impression is that sexual predators are more often than not, addicted to the power trip they get. It seems more the sensation of overpowering their victim, than the visual attraction of their victim. Because they fail to get affection through normal means, they resort to preying on weaker individuals. I also think sexual deviants of all types enjoy some thrill in doing what they know is wrong. Knowing they could be punished, gives them a sensation they do not get through normal healthy sexual interaction.
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| | From Nick
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 15:27
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All pedophiles should be hunter down and locked up! Once that’s done, if you feel the need to rehabilitate them, then sure, go at it. Personally I believe that once a pedophile, always a pedophile.
As for there being babies born right now that may turn into pedophiles... Well I am sure there are. And once they grew up we will imprison them also.
BTW, you are sick to even think that gay's are lumped into the same bin as pedophiles.
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| | From SeanSwede
Friday, October 27, 2006, 13:14
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I wasnt trying to "lump" gays together. I was trying to recall how man USED to lump them together, but now our views have changed...all thanks to science and a few good people or should I say millions of people who made it happen. Like STEAM said in a previous comment:
". Slavery had large support, many large scale crimes of history did, the number of people supporting it changes it's moral "rightness"
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| | | | | | | | From Eric Cartman
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 14:57
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Sean. I don't want to start no flame war, but I've got to call you out on this one. I think you are leaving a very big piece out of your equasion.
You've got to be totally homophobic to put homosexuals in the same box as pedofiles.
There is nothing wrong with two grown persons of the same sex to fall in love with each other, or indulge in acts of romantic, or purely carnal nature. Nobody is being hurt. Nobody is being abused. Nobody is being forced against their will. Nobody is in a position to make the other do something they don't want to do. Even in the animal world one can observe homosexual situations. It is not entirely unnatural. Even gender change happens in some creatures.
Pedofilia is an entirely different story. A child is often too naive to make the right decisions, and is normally much weaker than the pedofile. This puts the child at enormous risk. The child is neither emotionally, mentally, or physically strong enough to avoid the advances or actions of the perpetrator. In this sense, pedofilia is entirely different from homosexuality. Children are also not yet built for sexual interaction. Making a child participate in sexual conduct can seriously damage the childs body and mind, causing irrepairable damage, which will likely last for the child's entire life.
Personally, I don't see anything unethical about executing a perverted predator. To me, the life and future of a young and innocent child is far more valuable then the life and future of a sexual predator. The child may grow up and do the world some good. The child may grow up and become a doctor, a fireman, a father, a mother, perhaps discover clean energy, or a way to repair holes in the ozone. A predator will go on to ruin the life of another innocent human being.
Perhaps you are right. Humans have a tendency to hate and destroy that which they do not understand. But do we even need to try and understand pedofilia? I do believe it is important to study and understand the mechanism, in hopes that one day we will find the root cause, and therefore the cure. I do not believe we should in anyway try to understand it in the way we understand homosexuality. I mean we don't need to try to understand in the sense that we grow to tolerate or permiss it.
Finally, your assertion that pedofilia is a minor issue in the grander view of the world, I flatout disagree. An act of pedofilia can seriously destroy a young innocent child's life. In this sense, I feel pedofilia is no different from murder. If you beat someone till they are in a coma for life, is it any better than murder? If ones heart and soul are so damaged that one is dead inside, life itself is meaningless. In essence, the perpetrator has stolen the life of another.
Yes, there is war. There is genocide. There are murders. There are casualties. But there is a difference. Soldiers kill others at the order of their government. Governments are in place due to the choice and will (or lack of choice and will) of a large number of people. Ethics and morals aside, a large number of people are choosing to allow the murder of other peoples. While this is a sad truth, it is also a law of nature. Nature will not allow any one species to outgrow the earth's capability to house them.
There is always a reason for war. Countries need resources to support their own. If one cannot find enough resources, one must steal from another. Whether this is right and just or not is a separate question. Animals fight for territory and food. Wars are the same thing, on a much larger scale. A country in essence is a large tribe or pack. A country under attack is also normally able to retaliate in some form.
Nobody benefits from pedofilia. A child never does anything to warrant sexual abuse. A predator does not need to abuse a child to survive. A predator is never in a position where the child can threaten his existence if he does not abuse the child. There is nothing but selfish lust, and disregard for an innocent tender life.
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| | From SeanSwede
Friday, October 27, 2006, 12:55
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"You've got to be totally homophobic to put homosexuals in the same box as pedofiles.
There is nothing wrong with two grown persons of the same sex to..."
Im sorry maybe I wasnt clear enough, but I really wasnt trying to make any statement against homosexuality or that I was insinuating that I was homophobic. To make it clear I am not homophobic at all. I have no problem at all with anyones sexual disposition how ever it may be.
I respect your personal opinion in the matter as Im sure you respect mine. However I would like to argue what you stated here.
"Personally, I don't see anything unethical about executing a perverted predator. To me, the life and future of a young and innocent child is far more valuable then the life and future of a sexual predator. The child may grow up and do the world some good. The child may grow up and become a doctor, a fireman, a father, a mother, perhaps discover clean energy, or a way to repair holes in the ozone. A predator will go on to ruin the life of another innocent human being."
We can`t exclude the amount of people from all walks of life who are in fact firemen, police, soldiers, politicions, doctors, lawyers etc etc. who do good things for society, but happe to be pedophiles non the less and/or have these types of apitites wheather they act on their feelings or not. We dont kill homosexuals anymore right? Because like I said, we have dealt with the "homophobia" and moved on.
I am definatly not the right person to lead this type of touchy discussion but, it IS however something that will come up sooner or later in the future and their will come out some kind of action or scientific or medical information about it, thats for sure.
Like I said earlier, we may have our excuses for everything else decadant that we humans do in this day and supposidly "modern" age but, we still seem to go to extrem resorts when, as you put it, "Personally, I don't see anything unethical about executing a perverted predator. "
Let me ask you, is it ethical to execute murderers, rapists etc etc? What are we teaching by saying "if you kill, we will kill you".
Imagine a pedophile or murderer, rapist etc. who perhaps does a terrible deed and than repents terribly of their awfull wickedness and goes on and gets a chance and does perhaps even great things in life or, better yet, wonderous things for mankind. Are he or she still deserving of the death pentalty for their crimes?
If you really think about it, there isnt much different between killing someone in cold blood in peacetime or doing it at an offensive war but, that is another discussion, which takes another turn in these types of ethics.(reply to this comment) |
| | From conan
Thursday, November 02, 2006, 19:40
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I'm not sure the relevance of what I’m about to write here, but feel it may have some bearing on your stance regarding this issue of “What are we teaching by saying "if you kill, we will kill you"”.
Remember the “Life with Grandpa”, (or was it “Life of Grandpa”?) with the stories of known gangsters and mobsters Horace Alderman and Al Capone? Remember how we were supposed to feel awful for their eventual execution/death because they had converted to Christianity thanks apparently to berg’s mom or some such shit? I remember (don’t know why…maybe the amount of bad family music typed on this site in the last few days has unearthed so repressed memories for which I thank each of you who have contributed) that some lady in court stood up saying that he (Horace Alderman I think) was a no good gangster who deserved to die for killing and then that dear old gangster Horace gets sentenced to, and goes to meet his death singing and all the guards are weeping. I know, I know, sweet story that shouldn’t be believed by anyone with a half a brain, but it was while reading the comments by SeanSwede about killing someone who repents of their evil deeds or them getting a second chance that these memories were triggered.
Anyways, my point is that TF is of the opinion that forgiveness is something that MUST be given if there is someone, no matter how guilty, who’s repented. Now I’m not sure if you’re aware of how many criminals in jail convert to a new religion. The Nation of Islam used to recruit in jail and there are still groups of Christian missionaries who see jails as a prime place to reap “lost souls”. The reasons for this are really simple. Jail, especially death row, is a place with some finality to it. I mean by that, that it’s a place where you’ve been found guilty and are forced to serve time based on a judge/jury’s definition of justice for your crime.
People with something to lose, i.e. life, freedom, loved ones, are much more susceptible to change their belief system and then become radically involved in their newfound faith/religion/point of view/ etc. Now, in my humble opinion, these conversions, repentances are on par with and as valid as those torn from the lips of victims during the Spanish Inquisition where witches were mysteriously uncovered when someone on a rack or other torture device revealed their identity to save the life of a child or other loved one. It’s the same fear that leads to these conversions in jail of people convicted of violent crimes.
I know that we’re discussing something less relevant right? Like child molestation or rape, because clearly those crimes are less serious than murder and organized crime! Well it’s the same premise when speaking about a pedophile/rapist/molester who repents. Even if these people are truly sorry, it is our moral responsibility as a society to convict said felon to ensure that his actions won’t be repeated should he have a lapse in his newfound repentance.
I know that you can argue the topic of deterrence on society, but releasing rapists/molesters, or, not charging them in the first place because of new found salvation/repentance is absolutely, certainly going to embolden closet cases of these same pedophiles, muddy pig watchers, etc., to go ahead and test the murky waters to see if they can get off (excuse the pun) by claiming repentance if caught and convicted.
The argument of death=death penalty versus forgiveness will likely wage for decades and centuries to come. However, for our modest debate on this topic, and to defend my unforgivable crime of bringing up cult literature, let me get to the point. Is it possible that this view of repentance=absolution stems from our indoctrination as children, whereas the view shared by Eric Cartman, myself, and others of, if proven guilty then they should suffer the maximum penalty allowed is our way of trying to come to terms with the lack of justice from our own childhood? Let me ask you something SeanSwede. If you were molested as a child, and that molestation affected your social life throughout the rest of your childhood in terms of relating to adults as well as peers, and then 20 years later you met the monster who took advantage of you, and they volunteered to you that they had seen the error of their ways and were truly sorry and wanted your forgiveness, would you be able to look them in the eyes and say that all was forgiven? Or would you want to rip their head off and play with their entrails while chanting, “fuck you, fuck you, fuck you”?
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| | | | | | | | From Eric Cartman
Sunday, October 29, 2006, 11:26
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"But than the question I might get is "well, than we should find a cure against homosexuality right?""
This suggests that you believe a certain number of persons will want to find a "cure" for homosexuality, if we were to accept that pedofilia requires a "cure" and is indeed "curable" by therapy or medicine.
My response "You've got to be totally homophobic to put homosexuals in the same..." is my opinion regarding the opinions you mention. Not neccessarily you.
I explained why I feel homosexuality is not a "defect" and thus requires no "treatment" or "cure".
Now that I've clarified that, I still disagree with you Sean.
"We can`t exclude the amount ~ who do good things for society, but happe to be pedophiles and/or have these types of apitites wheather they act on their feelings or not."
A closet pedofile is not a criminal. If one has the apetites and tendencies, yet can excersize restraint, I don't see why we need to treat that. The person may have pedofilia tendencies, but is not a predator. If my brother was aroused by seeing a pig wallow in mud, I'd think he was a freak, but I wouldn't accuse him of beastiality. Possession of child porn is a crime, because a child has actually been abused in order to create the material. Possessing and enjoying such material is supporting the perpetrators of the crime, and supporting the abuse of the victim.
"We dont kill homosexuals anymore right? Because like I said, we have dealt with the "homophobia" and moved on."
I feel the world has a long way to go before we can claim we've "dealt with homophobia". But, that is a separate issue. I don't believe we suffer from a "pedofilphobia" that we need to "deal with".
The most important issue is protecting our children. Protecting the future of our species. The rights of a perverted, disturbed, and dangerous predator can take back seat as far as I'm concerned. Can you tell me why you feel it is an ethical travesty if a convicted predator is executed? Human rights? A pedofile, murderer or rapist that commits a heinous crime has the opportunity to explain his actions in the courts. If it is deemed that he can be rehabilitated, he could be sent to a correctional facility. Repentance may be important in evaluating the convicted's chances of returning to society. On the other hand, no repentance undoes the harm and damage caused by his/her actions. I feel that yes, regardless of repentance, he/she is still deserving of capital punishment. Legal punishment versus forgiveness and mercy. These are two very different issues. Should the perpetrator be forgiven? Only the victim has the right to forgive or not forgive. The law forgives nobody. The law must not forgive anybody.
Again, this is only my opinion, but if one commits an inhuman act of savagery, could he claim his own rights as a human? If he/she had no regard for the rights and life of a fellow human being, should he be awarded the luxury of an opportunity to repeat his actions once more? By engaging in such barbaric an inhuman conduct, is he not in essence, forfeiting his identity and rights as a human being?(reply to this comment) |
| | From steam
Friday, October 27, 2006, 07:53
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The last part of your comment about war made no sense. Are you saying all war is for survival? I think the strongest case you could make would be that most war is fought for a perception of survival or some other benefit. In many cases it results in neither. But if this in and of itself were a justification for war then any crime commited over a perception of benefit or survival of the criminal would have the same justification. Your saying that in many cases war can have a large support level sounds a little like "might makes right". Slavery had large support, many large scale crimes of history did, the number of people supporting it changes it's moral "rightness" not on bit.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Eric Cartman
Sunday, October 29, 2006, 12:00
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Good comment. I do see your angle. I am not justifying war. I am not discussing the moral correctness of war. Having a reason does not necessarily justify an action. I am however suggesting that war is a result of the law of nature. Human life is longer, and the population of this planet is exploding. Nature requires a few plagues, disasters and wars to keep the balance in check.
While I would not go so far as to say that might makes right, I do maintain that our definition of right is ever changing, based on the whims of the masses.
War is never fought by one man. Not by two men. Not by a hundred. Countries are run by the people. We like to blame things on the government. It's easy to blame the consequences of our own inactions on the actions of others or the actions of a select few. A good quote from the film -V for Vendetta- "But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror". Silence is acceptance. What of the phillipines and people power 1 and 2? What of South Africa and apartheid? What of Nixon and watergate? Why did the USA pull out of vietnam? Look at all the coups everywhere. "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people". People have the power. It may not be overnight, but in the end, if the will of the people is strong enough, they will prevail. That is democracy in it's purest form.(reply to this comment) |
| | From steam
Friday, October 27, 2006, 07:47
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Disgusting comment by Sean. It matters not if a person has tendencies that tear at them. It matters if they act on the tendencies when they harm others. To look at it any other way is to justify every crime imanigable with the simple logic. Simply that it is somehow understandable if one had a impulse or tendency towards it. Lump pedophelia with crimes because it hurts others (immensely) and any other impulse that does not hurt others in a catagory like enjoying sports. (reply to this comment) |
| | From AnnaH
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 20:23
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I've got to defend Sean on this one. I don't think his intention was to lump homosexuals and pedophiles into one category. I think, and I'm assuming that's why he put that comment in quotes, that he was speculating the chain of events that can arise with being able to cure what some might deem "un-natural tendencies."
A Clockwork Orange is an excellent example of that dilemma (Not about changing homosexuality but about "curing" behavior). (reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:06
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I think people should be judged solely on their actions. Not their thoughts, not their appetites, not their fantasies. Attempting to cure someones behaviour sounds very dangerous to me. If there was a cure to pedofile urges, how would we administer it? Shouldn't the patients have a right to refuse such treatment?
At the end of the day, people have a right to choice. This includes the right to choose to break the law and be punished for it.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Eric Cartman
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 08:53
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I personally think too many criminals are given unneccesary lenience due to "psychiatric disorders".
What is more important? The human rights of a disturbed or insane person, versus the life and rights of the victims? Perhaps an insane person is innocent, in the sense that no mal-intentions were involved when he swung down that axe. Or pulled the trigger. But will he go on to commit another crime? Can he be rehabilitated?
Is the person a menace to society, and what was the extent of the damage done by this person?
Personally, I think one needs a certain measure of psychiatric problems to actually commit horrendous crimes in the first place. I don't think a healthy person in his right mind would rape a child, or brutally murder someone. Maybe I'm narrow minded, but I just don't see how that would be possible. With that in mind, I don't think insanity should be reason to pardon one from capital punishment.
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| | | | | from wanderer
Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 01:26
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how did they buy it? and how does anyone still bite? after you have set the hook and know how the scam works how can you still fall for the scam??? that is my question. how??? talking religion yesterday to some Muslims and was comparing the amount of violence in the corresponding books. the christian manuscript is full of genocide, torture, rapine, ethnic cleansing, conversion by the sword, lying, betrayal in the name of god, blatant nepotism, etc.
the more you read you should.... must come to the inevitable conclusion that it is a contrived controlling mechanism to manipulate the weak.
Moses, the greatest prophet of all three faiths, habitually purged the vine in his battle for the hearts and minds of a people. why can't any one who reads the bible for long enough see this?? i could at 16. they told us to study it, how can ....... i'm just at a loss as to why they would live a lie. better to be a princes in your mind than a pauper for real. Don quixote was a telling book and more telling yet was the importance it played in the development of the myth. notice we were not encouraged to read the book. we were not told to study him. we were told to emulate him his denial, for too much sanity is madness. i'd rather be mad and glad.
They are mad. the mind is a tricky thing. they are mad and gladd of it. crazy people content in their loony bin. Lambs to the slaughter. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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| from wanderer
Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 01:25
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how did they buy it? and how does anyone still bite? after you have set the hook and know how the scam works how can you still fall for the scam??? that is my question. how??? talking religion yesterday to some Muslims and was comparing the amount of violence in the corresponding books. the christian manuscript is full of genocide, torture, rapine, ethnic cleansing, conversion by the sword, lying, betrayal in the name of god, blatant nepotism, etc.
the more you read you should.... must come to the inevitable conclusion that it is a contrived controlling mechanism to manipulate the weak.
Moses the greatest prophet of all three faiths habitually purged the vine in his battle for the hearts and minds of a people. why can't any one who reads the bible for long enough see this?? i could at 16. they told us to study it, how can ....... i'm just at a loss as to why they would live a lie. better to be a princes in your mind than a pauper for real. Don quixote was a telling book and more telling yet was the importance it played in the development of the myth. notice we were not encouraged to read the book. we were not told to study him. we were told to emulate him his denial, for too much sanity is madness. i'd rather be mad and glad.
They are mad. the mind is a tricky thing. they are mad and gladd of it. crazy people content in their loony bin. Lambs to the slaughter. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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| from Rain Child
Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 05:08
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What a horrible story.
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| from nikki
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 19:45
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I read this same article on yahoo news today.
I am so sick of religion and all the fanaticism associated with it.
It makes me wonder if religion isen't a form of insanity.
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| | | | From Oddman
Monday, October 30, 2006, 15:29
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I wouldn't call religion a symptom of insanity.
It's easy to say religion is for the weakminded. But we need to remember that the majority of christians, muslims, hindus, they haven't been abused through their religion. Although there are many groups with extreme doctrines and practices, these groups normally have a rather small following. Religion sounds good.
All you gotta do is come to our building once a week, light some candles, chit chat with neighbours and friends, while comparing your wardrobe, throw in 10 bucks and confess your sins, and you are pardoned, blessed, and welcome in paradise the moment you die.
It's like an insurance policy. You might be paying for nothing, but what the hell. You don't wanna die then find out you should have paid 10 bucks a week for that salvation.
The problem is not religion. The problem is extremism.
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