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from Sydney Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 20:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Mr Miller/Abner I think lives in Queensland Australia they left the family maybe about 7 years ago? Sue and Andy split up and Andy married a Taiwanese women name rose, I'm not sure where they are now.... Sue married a aussie guy named Nick... Sue and Nick have since split up and nick is still in the family (i think) while Sue I think has left some years ago and her son is anti family as far as I know... I think they live somewhere in Queensland too... (reply to this comment)

from Bella Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 20:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Does anyone know Crystal's legal name? What about Michael's? Thanks! (reply to this comment)

From Thursday, February 23, 2006, 00:59 (Agree/Disagree?) I don't know their legal names but Crystal was recently on TF's Katrina website. (reply to this comment)

from Fish Friday, December 16, 2005 - 15:39 (Agree/Disagree?) I would pay a decent amount of money to have michale flayed. That guy was number one on my "payback list" when I was a kid. Anyone up for it? (Flaying that is.) (reply to this comment)

From Dominatrix Tuesday, March 07, 2006, 20:07 (Agree/Disagree?) I'll do it...fly him over to my professional dungeon and I'll give him a session he'll never forget....(reply to this comment)

from gragon Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:23 (Agree/Disagree?) I came across a pic of Crystal posted on a website. Here's a link. http://www.katrinareliefhome.com/page/3/ (reply to this comment)

from live_fast-die_young Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 09:27 (Agree/Disagree?) I was born on the farm in Macau, but left when i was just 5yrs old so I can't remember faces or names but I do remember incidents. I was always scared of Ho as I saw him giving "spankings" to the teenagers, once with this big plank of wood. He had a nasty temper and once, because i was walking too slow, he pulled me by my hair to the car (I don't consider that abuse). I later had occasion to live with him & his then-family off & on from the age of 11-15 on returning to Asia & while he still frightened me & had an explosive temper, I didn't see any abuse. Having lived here in Macau for the past 5 years I have heard countless stories about the infamous HO & his shady dealings with local mafia, etc. But I do find it interesting, and a little surprising, that I haven't read any complaints about him here on the website. (reply to this comment)

From Big Sister Friday, December 16, 2005, 21:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Pulling you by the hair is abuse. Explosive temper is probably abuse too. My personal rule of thumb is that if an adult cannot get away with doing something to another adult (pulling a co-worker by the hair, throwing an angry temper tantrum in a restaurant, for example, generally gets you a very cool reception by other adults if not a visit by the cops), then it is equally wrong for an adult to do it to a child. Other adults can stay away from crazies who pull hair and throw tantrums but kids cannot escape nearly as easily. I also think other adults have a responsibility to stop people who abuse children. Seems to me that in the cult, everyone is abused, from the top on down to the children. It may be more mild now, but the same philosophy persists. Instead of respect and responsibility, it's (nearly) anything goes as long as you do it with love. Or as my cult sister puts it, "It's not WHAT you do, it's what you INTEND to do, that counts." (reply to this comment)

From Friday, December 16, 2005, 22:11 (Agree/Disagree?) And isn't it crazy how they mean something different when they say "done in love" than most people would interpret as "done in love"?(reply to this comment)

From live_fast-die_young Sunday, May 15, 2005, 09:31 (Agree/Disagree?) I forgot to mention that as far as I know he is no longer in TF, in the US somewhere(reply to this comment)

from Haunted Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 10:56 (Agree/Disagree?) Question: cool8pack - were you in Macau? If so, please email me under my profile as I'd like to discuss this post with you. Thanks. (reply to this comment)

From tastypants Friday, December 16, 2005, 00:22 (Agree/Disagree?) hey cool8 who are u(reply to this comment)

From OMG!!!!! Friday, December 16, 2005, 09:32 (Agree/Disagree?) Stupid! I am laughing my ass off! It took me a second to ponder......Aaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha. You slay me. clever use of pop culture dude.(reply to this comment)