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Getting Out : Creeps
A Mother and Her Toddler | from Jules - Tuesday, February 01, 2005
accessed 8130 times I recently came across one of the most horrible and disturbing things I have ever read. The below is from a MOTHER and was published in the Family News Encyclopedia, page 107.
http://www.movingon.org/documents/3old_daughter_jealous_pg107.jpg **********
CHILDCARE QUESTION: MY ELDEST daughter, 3-1/2 is terribly jealous over me when I am a bit affectionate or intimate with brothers or friends, and when she sees me touching them or them me she freaks out, and when she sees me loving someone she actually throws a fit and starts screaming! We laid hands on her and prayed for the Lord to take away this spirit of jealousy and I told her to fight the Devil and not let herself become mad and jealous with brothers—but it hasn’t shown too much result so far. She says, “You can only fuck Daddy!” I try to avoid any situations where she sees me getting close to someone. I deal with her about it! Should I spank her whenever she yields to jealousy? I’m sure she must have picked it up from her father’s spirit! I’ve also tried to include her in the loving sessions, but she pulls me away and wants my full attention. I don’t want to hurt the poor brother or her! What can I do? Ruthie; Europe
(Read “Jealousy” Letter No. 287. – and have her Daddy read it to her—and then have prayer about it together.—I’m sure the Lord can give you all the victory—and try to avoid doing it in front of ‘m!—Few can stand that!)
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Not only does this mother openly "include" her own 3 1/2 year old daughter in her sex life and "deals with" the toddler for being upset about watching her have sex with lots of other men, but is also obviously not some "innocent, misguided" young adult. The snide remark "she must have picked it up from her father" shows just how manipulative she is. The mother seems to be traumatising her own little girl to get back at her husband.
Berg's answer, "Read Jealousy"?!! WFT? The child is 3 1/2!! |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Arssle
Monday, September 17, 2007 - 08:45
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That's fucked up... dosen't "shock" me though, it's to be expected from a fucktarded religious cult.
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| from shins
Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 03:09
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Very sick and the mother needs to be locked up forever and the little child adopted or looked after by family who are not mentally ill and evil.. I feel so depressed reading this filth.
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| from smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006 - 18:07
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Since solemn and I have already hijacked this thread to discuss our fantasies concerning actresses, I'll try to turn it in another direction.
Just read this and it's damn good.
...to emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on Heaven is to create hell. In their desperate longing to transcend the disorderliness, friction, and unpredictability that pesters life; in their desire for a fresh start in a tidy habitat, germ-free and secured by angels, religious multitudes are gambling the only life they may ever have on a dark horse in a race that has no finish line."
Tom Robbins Skinny Legs and All, 1990, p. 305.
US novelist (1936 - )
Check it out, Capt'n....lookey there at that there reference.
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| from loch
Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:26
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Honestly what surprises me the most about this Mother, is her complete lack of knowladge of her child. Besides the obvious wrong with this whole situation, it's disturbing to me that she could not see that this was not a case of jealousy. At least not fully. Let me explain.
My two year old little girl has fallen off the dining room chairs at her dad's house a couple of times now. I can't get her to sit on chairs anymore. At least ones that are not child size. In fact, if I pick her up and place her into a chair, she will "scream, cry and throw a fit".
My friends child recently had a bad experience in the pool. He is three. We can't get him into the water anymore.
See the pattern? See my point?
This little girl was clearly reacting strongly to a situation that disturbed her. For what reason? Most likely because the act of what her mother was doing with these men, were trigering a bad memory. You tell me why and of what. It's not hard to figure out.
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|  From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 13:23
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And yeah for the record, I'm scared of swans to this day. It sounds stupid and it is. But that's the way it goes. I was feeding swans from the little pocket on the front of my Osh-Kosh overalls when I was two or three. My dad wandered off. The swans got pissed that I was out of bread crusts. They attacked the crap out of me. Some old German lady beat them off me. I actually remember this. Wanna tell me that we aren't imprinted at that age? It's not rocket science. It's psych 101.(reply to this comment) |
| | From AndyH
Monday, July 24, 2006, 11:54
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You know, I hadn't considered that but I think you're absolutely right. If it had been an issue of jealousy then the problem would have arisen in other situations, not just sexual ones. Also, in an environment with many people interacting with each other, sharing attention is something a child becomes very comfortable with, so it couldn't be an issue of jealousy.
That's so terrible, the poor kid. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 13:20
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My friggin dog gets pissed when I hug my girlfriend. If I hug anyone else, he actually growls. Do I need to pray over him? Read him "jealousy". Three year olds are inherently selfish. And they should be. It's a survival mechanism. I do however, think you're right about trauma. Most phobias are developed before the age of five because our brains at that age are so easily imprinted at that age. It's when children form the personality they will have the rest of their lives. Children at that age need to believe that their parents care more for them than anything else. Lacking that they develope all sorts of issues with relationships, fear of abandonment, and trust later on in life. Think of all the kids scarred by being taken from their parents in the homes. When they did see their parents in the dining hall....they weren't allowed to be with them. Kids learn at THAT age that their parents don't give a shit for their feelings and they're fucked for life. God I fucking hate the Family. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Captain America
Monday, July 24, 2006, 17:25
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Why are you assuming that I am upset about your spelling? I have never corrected anyone's spelling but my own, and I'm perfectly calm, as I was in the last comments I made to you. All I've done is refference useful information, and give advice.
I also have spelliing problems, and the spellcheck on this site leaves much to be desired. I recommend using the Google toolbar, rather than refferencing a limited dictionary, it scans the entire internet for word usage statistics, and suggests the proper spelling based on the most common occurence of the word. Also, you can use it on any text you type into your browser, which is great for email boxes that don't have a included spellcheck, like myspace for instance.
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Take it or leave it, but don't resent me for being a helpful nerd.(reply to this comment) |
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Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 09:07
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OK, they burned the "Heaven's Girl" book when I was about 6, so I really don't have that much recollection of it. Am I just making this up or did 'Marie Claire' have sex or sexual relations with a guy named 'Paul' in the beginning? 'Paul' was the name of her father right that she was separated from? So did she have sex with her father or something? Can someone who remembers clarify this?
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| From Fish
Thursday, February 03, 2005, 09:17
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Wishful thinking banal. She didnt. On the other hand, she is a sixteen year old girl running around FFing the likes of Atia (a 60 something year old) etc... But PTL it all works out in the end as she gets to screw (drum roll) DAVIDITO! To bad that books gone, it was actually quite entertaining. Heavens Children is the one with "grandpa" screwing techi and davida.(at the end when he wakes up)
GBYAKY!
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| | | | | From Dr.4_Shure
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 00:14
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Funny, that was something I had always thought was the inteerior message, "Fuck the Asians to Christ", not to mention Uncle lou ( sound chinese or from Hongkong)having a fisherie as if thats all his life amounted to, a fishing farm and poor workers who depended on the catch of the day,really i thnk alot of the strory was intended to base out of Asia, the Typoon storm in the shape of 'God's fingers, the burmese camps, being 'refugees'.(reply to this comment) |
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Monday, July 24, 2006, 16:47
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Great, my therapist will be so fucking thrilled. No, usually I avoid the subject with her. But sometimes it's just too much fun to play "make the therapist drop her notepad". That site's gonna be like a car wreck. You know I won't be able to not look. Ah all those lovely memories.... Like the time some jerk kept shaking the bunk jerking off after reading it and I made fun of him for it. He ratted. I got "rebuked for teasing him instead of sharing god's love. I WAS 11 FUCKING YEARS OLD....good times!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from conan
Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 12:55
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Jules,
While I was very shocked that the above question and subsequent answer were published in TF, I can't really say that the issue itself was all that uncommon.
Let me clarify that remark for a second. I didn't see incest being openly condoned like Berg was obviously doing here, but sexual relationships being not only common around young children, but the children themselves becoming a "problem" for being in the way or god forbid wanting some attention while mom and uncle "Abel Seamen" or whatever retarded names these culties had, were busy "sharing" god's love with eachother.
My earliest memories are also from the age of 3-5 but only a few isolated incedents before 4 to 4-1/2.
Memories of viewing sexual activity on a regular scale as a child is something that plagued me in my early teen and pre-teen years but was then largely surpressed among my many repressed memories that will pop back into memory from time to time. One thing that will always remain clearly defined in my mind is that we children were abligated to watch but to "behave" while the adults were busy copulating.
If we were good while watching we would be "rewarded" with the potential of our own sharing night for our age group as well as the occasional "sharing experience" with an aunt (or uncle I guess too) in the home. I felt terrible after reading the posted article for how Ruthie's child must have turned out until I remembered that it could have been any one of us. The audacity TF has to still claim that there was never wide-spread condoned sexual (and other) abuses is just too obtuse for words.
I hope there is some form of an afterlife, just so that we can rest assured that Berg is burning for all eternity for his crimes agains humanity and his blatant disregard for the value of human life (our lives). Zerby will get her's one day and when that happens the relief will be amazing.
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| | | | from aphrodite
Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 01:05
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I think the family aunties were in many cases worse than the men. The abuse is on another level with women. It takes that much more of a horrible woman to abuse children, men think about sex etc, women can control that much more and so have even less of an excuse when it comes to abuse.
I have many terrible memories towards vindictive family aunties who really just had it out for you.
Not to mention the fact that many kids had to watch their mothers go FF'ing, "where is mommy" lead to the reply that she was taking care of the fish, some mothers took their children with them to catch the "fish's" attention inititally.
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| | | | | | | from Dr.4_Shure
Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 00:49
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MY WORST REALITY!
Here I was the son of a single mom, getting tagged along to every “road trip” that she had to go on.
I remember so vividly sences of horror, when a adult man would hand me a Balloon to try and keep my attention distracted , away from him and mom totally naked on the bed while he had his hands totally up ‘hers’ on the edge of the bed. Holly F**k it was, my head reached up to about just that height. Not to mentioned the rooms were crummy places worth 5$ a night, but they had somehow manage to (PTL!) provision.
I remember waking up crying and screaming my guts out endless night, that she had a new man in bed with her, and the uncle would come over and scold me on how I should not fear as there's "no fear in perfect love". " Oh! did you have another nightmare!"" well let me pray for you" was the only response I'd get until they finally moved me out to sleep in the childrens room on a bunkbed. Resulting from this I never ever wanted to sleep in my moms room ever again in my life, turn out rebellious at a young age, it was so repulsive.
My mom was TF's whore.
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| | | | from exer
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 14:34
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It gets even worse, Jules, as this quote from "Answers To Your Questions!—No. 5 (DFO 1458 4/83) shows. It's found on page 27 of "Good News Book IV."
51. QUESTION: MY LITTLE BOY (5 YEARS OLD) IS VERY SEXY! He cannot even hug his mother without getting a hard on. So I thought it was bad because it makes him too familiar with his mother if she takes care of him. I believe somebody else would take care of him, but until now, no one in the Home has the burden to do this. What do you, Dad, think of this kind of mother & child relationship?—Sammy, Europe
ANSWER: What’s wrong with it? It’s perfectly natural!—What better person to learn about sex from than his own dear mother?–God’s only Law is Love! (See Nos.605:4, 779, 782, 815 & SD "My Little Fish")—Are you a jealous father?
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| | | | | | | | | | From Jules
Tuesday, February 01, 2005, 16:27
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This certainly shows Berg's culpability in child sexual abuse in the Family. It's horrific that we can even have levels of outrage for crimes like incest, but this did not upset me as much as what the mother "Ruthie" wrote. I suppose it's because to me, this seems like a very naive and stupid person looking to a "spiritual leader" for advice. What this mother wrote though is, to me as a daughter, much more insidiuous. I was up most of last night after reading it and it really upset me a great deal. (I apologise if this has upset anyone else in the same way).
Unfortunately I actually remember the FN encyclopedia very well from my childhood, but did not remember the quote I posted at all. I was stunned to read it. I think what upset me the most was the callousness and manipulativeness of the mother. She considered "not hurting" (aka interrupting) the man she was getting off with on the same level as her three year old daughter's obvious trauma. As I said, the swipe at the child's father was quite obvious and I suspect, the reason she wrote this question to Berg in the first place.
"Very Lonely Girl" wrote something about incest and she said (if I recall) that she held her mother more accountable than her father on some level. While my parents were never sexually abusive to me, they were in many other ways and I think that as a girl, I could see the manipulativeness and underhandedness of my mother quite well, whereas my father seemed to be a lot more just plain dumb about things. I have a lot of anger towards Family "aunties" for many things, not least of which is that many seemed to use the abusive enviornment of the Family when I was a child as an excuse to hurt us. We were fodder for the endless "needs" of the men, when they didn't feel up to it, and then, as we matured, became viewed as competitors and constantly demeaned and humiliated by them. "Flirty Little Teens Beware" is a prime example of a woman blaming a child for deviant behaviour on the part of men, instead of protecting them.
The other thing that upset me a great deal is the fact that this child was only three. I remember a great deal in excruciating detail after about four years old, but only a few single instances before then. One has to wonder about this child and how these horrible events have effected her. It is essential to me that I know and understand what I am dealing with and why and to think that "Ruthie's" daughter may not even recall this is very frightening to me. From what I understand, our thought processes and psyches are laid down very early in childhood and I wonder what I don't remember.
I have often thought about the need to include older siblings in therapy or counselling. I am the oldest child in my family and while my brothers and sisters don't know a lot of the things that have happened to me, I do know much of what has happened to them. I have tried to, when appropriate, at least confirm what I know to be true and sometimes, when asked, fill in the details for them, without (as best as I can) projecting my own feelings about a situtation on to them. They deserve to know the facts and once something is faced and fully known, it can be deconstructed and defused. (reply to this comment) |
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Tuesday, February 01, 2005, 19:39
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OMG, Jules, that comment has clarified things worth 5 years of therapy. I have similar reactions about the abuse from men versus women. While the obvious incidents of abuse that shock the outside world tend to get more attention, I think that what shredded my pysche the worst was the constant demeaning and humiliation which as you point out seemed to come from the women, at least in my case as a preteen and teenage girl.
When I think of your observation that they did this because they viewed us as competitors while we matured, I think of a woman from whom I got years of opression and degradation, and how curiously she would go from younger man to younger man, while sending me and other 12 year olds to sleep with her husband who was several years older than the average adult Family member then and with whom she must have been bored. I witnessed her stealing one woman's family from her and claiming it as her own. I since heard how she stole the father from another family. I guess she didn't only view little girls as competitors.(reply to this comment) |
| | from Bella
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:59
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That is disgusting. It reminds me a lot of The Story of Davidito where Sarah talks about Dito being so "jealous" that she was "sharing" with these men. That he would sit at the top of the stairs, with a book, angry. HELLO! While everyone was busy getting it on, the poor kid was left to either care for himself or watch. It makes me so mad! As a mother, I cannot even imagine exposing my daughter to the sexual atmosphere that we were all exposed to.
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| from Nick
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:19
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Funny that you post this as just last night I was talking to my GF about this very thing.
While a lot of us, especially us men, were not personally sexually abused I think its safe to say that all of us were at some point subjected to some pretty traumatizing sexual scenes.
Do you know how upsetting it can be for a small child to be 3 ft away in the next bed while mummy is forced to have sex with some ugly single brother? And not just one, but every man in the home seems to pass through your room at some point and you have to watch it all. This can be very traumatizing for a young child. Especially when you know that your parents don’t want to and are being forced to.
I am a father and I cringe at the thought of having my son lie in the next bed from his mom banging some idiot she doesn’t even like.
I was always very uncomfortable as a child when your group walks into the bathroom to wash hands before dinner and there is some perverted uncle having a shower with a hard on and a big grin on his face casually showering as these poor kids forced to accept their perverted “freedoms”.
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| From NClaunch
Tuesday, February 01, 2005, 16:28
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My earliest memory: I was about 2 or 3 maybe. There was a group of us kids who were supposed to be sitting around in our chairs watching my mother give Matthew ( John PI) a blow job. This was in Marianne's home in the Phillippines. The same home (and the same man) my 14 year old sister got pregnant in/from. I asked my mother about it some time later when i remembered and she said: well, you were supposed to be watching but you guys were all running all over the place.(reply to this comment) |
| | From katrim4
Tuesday, February 01, 2005, 16:53
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This is why it gets to me when the family claims that abuse wasn't widespread and that it was just "a few isolated cases". If it was really just a few isolated cases, then why is it that you remember stuff happening in the Phillipines and I have eerily similar memories from Mexico? I don't know what time period you're reffering to, but that's not really the point. The point is that all of these homes all around the world were following the same "council" from Berg and doing very similar things. And then when they were done doing them, they were sending in their testimonies, questions and tips straight to Berg and Zerby and they either condoned it (as with the case above) or they put a stop to it (like happened with Keda and the Homo's letters). If they really were all that concerned about it, why didn't they stop it way back then when they got the very first reports of this stuff happening? Obviously child sex and adult/child sex was deemed more appropriate than gasp......homosexuality!
From what I understand, Marianne's home was a rather large home, probablly with a ton of kids. The combo that I'm refering to, in Guadalajara in the early '80's must've had at least 100 - 200 people there at any given time. And the more people there were, the bigger the orgies were. I lived there when I was 5 & 6 (making the year 1983-1984) and there was absolutly no attempt made to shield or protect children from all of the sexual activity that was taking place. Seek and Secundus would make dance videos, host gypsy nights, etc., etc. How many cases does there have to be, involving how many people, before it becomes widespread?
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| | From cocomojo
Wednesday, February 02, 2005, 10:36
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Gypsy nights, romantic nights, sharing schedules, "sexual education".
Has anyone else found the Brazilian "brothers and sisters" to have a bit of an edge on the perversion game?
I remember a real pervert an Argentine who went by the name Palito, or Santiago, my sister used to tell me what he made her do to him, her friends as well. Mostly during the weekly ride to the school home. He was a non sexual abuser too, my brother and I can attest to that.
The biggest problem is that most of us never knew the real names of our tormentors. Now they live some cushy life somewhere, and I don't doubt that the're truly happy as they think back on the "good ol' days".
BTW this particular abuser was one of the most liked person for us kids, as he was one of the nicest people you could meet. He was funny, kind, and a real joker. Whenever he wasn't showing off "God's love". How twisted is that? That a child can put aside, or compartmentalize the sexual aspects of someones abusive behaviour in favor of their part-time personality. It just shows how bad the daily mental abuse was.(reply to this comment) |
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Wednesday, February 02, 2005, 10:05
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These things happened in UK and India too. From the age of 2 or 3. Either it was you or some other little kid in the home.
Trying to remember their Family name is often difficult enough , let alone getting their legal names. Not even my parents were privy to legal names. TF had that one sussed early on, wankers!.
You couldn't bring the subject up as you didn't know it was wrong. If thats a childs only moral compass, how could we?
It was only in leaving did I discover it was wrong.
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| | From ack
Wednesday, February 02, 2005, 10:51
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And then there's the process of coming to terms with it all. By that time the statute of limitations has run out.
Cult raised kids just don't fit into the law like most people. Most of the time the abuse will go unpunished because the law seems to assume that everyone will fit into a predescribed scenario. I believe that special legislation is necessary to fit these cases. Does the way we were raised perclude our access to justice?
Here's an idea: Everyone write your congress/person, and demand that new legislation be enacted of behalf of all cult children everywhere. It would be a start anyway.
I don't know about most other countries, but if you're American you must abide by American law, even while living outside the country. Furthermore, as an American abroad you are legally bound by American law to abide by the laws of the region you're visiting.
The Family's top leadership is mostly American. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Big Sister
Wednesday, February 02, 2005, 12:50
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Is it true that there's a statute of limitations on sexual and other child abuse?
If so, why are all these Catholic priests in the courts right now? I thought that some laws were recently change so that there is more opportunity to sue for abuse from long ago. Perhaps it varies state by state, as many things do. I like the idea of writing congresspeople to demand new legislation but first I'd like to know the law in my state and what other laws are currently being worked on.
It sounds like I'm proposing a Legal section of this site with the law written out, state by state if necessary, federal law, maybe even international legal information. There could be a place for proposed new laws currently in the works, how to word letters to US congress people, etc. The environmental movement is a model for this type of thing. Well informed environmental watchdogs keep abreast of the laws, expand media coverage of their issues, conduct letter writing campaigns on local, national and international environmental issues. And just like here, the prime motivation for all this hard work is anger and dissatisfaction with the status quo and the wish to make the world a better place. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Nick
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:19
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Funny that you post this as just last night I was talking to my GF about this very thing.
While a lot of us, especially us men, were not personally sexually abused I think its safe to say that all of us were at some point subjected to some pretty traumatizing sexual scenes.
Do you know how upsetting it can be for a small child to be 3 ft away in the next bed while mummy is forced to have sex with some ugly single brother? And not just one, but every man in the home seems to pass through your room at some point and you have to watch it all. This can be very traumatizing for a young child. Especially when you know that your parents don’t want to and are being forced to.
I am a father and I cringe at the thought of having my son lie in the next bed from his mom banging some idiot she doesn’t even like.
I was always very uncomfortable as a child when your group walks into the bathroom to wash hands before dinner and there is some perverted uncle having a shower with a hard on and a big grin on his face casually showering as these poor kids forced to accept their perverted “freedoms”.
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| from venusbutterfly
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 05:36
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i rarely use fould language but WTF is this?????
i won't even try and comment, it's making me sick.
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